Longterm benefits from price policeing

well the long term benefits would only be for the potential buyer don't you think?

If we hammer someone enough on price, and shame them into selling it cheaper. It would tend to bring prices down. Now when I want to sell something I am unlikely to get a price that would please me.

so maybe the answer is none
 
If we hammer someone enough on price, and shame them into selling it cheaper. It would tend to bring prices down. Now when I want to sell something I am unlikely to get a price that would please me.

so maybe the answer is none[/QUOTE]

We've got a smart one here folks! If there's blame to be laid for the declining values, the economy certainly has played a part so let's not make it any worse. Remember that someday we're all going to sell these things so ask yourself who's gonna buy, where you gonna sell and are you gonna be happy giving it away?
 
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If we hammer someone enough on price, and shame them into selling it cheaper. It would tend to bring prices down. Now when I want to sell something I am unlikely to get a price that would please me.

so maybe the answer is none[/quote]
We've got a smart one here folks!


Well it certainly isn't you, as you can't even master the quote feature!
 
I'd say its a good way to piss off good people with lots of inventory regularly coming in, not get your PM's answered and not ever actually find what you need since all the greedy a-holes want too much money when they should be shipping it out to you for next to nothing! :D
 
. Remember that someday we're all going to sell these things ...

No sir. Mine goes with the house. I really don't think there is any possible way of getting them out of my basement, unless you hack them up with an axe.
 
Dont ever plan on selling my games. Not sure about long or short term but beating people up over prices... not worth it. I would rather people list stuff at high prices than not at all. And if the price effin police keep at it, less and less people are going to sell stuff and just sit on it. At the very least, they wont be offering it here. I know i am at the point where i dont want to sell anything on Klov. Said it before and i will say it again, not all sellers are motivated sellers and some dont care if the item sells, they are just testing the waters, so for you guys that keep hammering on prices you dont like , make an offer or STAFOO. Seriously. If you have no interest in buying the item then shut the eff up.
 
No sir. Mine goes with the house. I really don't think there is any possible way of getting them out of my basement, unless you hack them up with an axe.

Growing up I had a recurring story told to me.

When my mother's parents (my grandma & grandpa) went to sell their house in the early 60's, there was a Wurlitzer and shuffleboard set in the basement that met one of these fates. Let's just say that they didn't get sold with the house.
 
Let me ask this. When has price policing ever worked? Anyboby, anybody....Bueller?

I don't recall anyone on here selling for less because of KLOV'ers chiming in urging them to. The standard response is, "Fine, eBay here I come."

The only thing price policing MAY accomplish is something akin to "cock-blocking" a sell when there is a potential buyer who gets convinced he can get it cheaper because the price police says he can.


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I have heard it all from I never plan on selling my games to I did not get into this to make money. As in any collection you always want your collection to go up in value rather that down. There may be a day when you have to tap into it to pay for maybe a liver transplant or something. I cannot see putting all the time and work into restoring and collecting these great pieces of history just to give them away later. The funny thing is most of the police here would never sell thier games for what they tell people they need to buy or sell their games for. I just got a email on a part I am selling and the guy was not even going to buy it but is mad that I am asking what I am asking. I was told my Star Wars was only worth 2500.00 at best well I sold it for 4900.00 Thursday to a guy in France. I would never come on here as a buyer to ask a price question after reading a lot of the police postings. And as a seller most of them have left this forum for the same reason. You guys the collectors need retailers and Opps, when you need that part you have a number to call and someone to find it for you. I look at the Klov brotherhood different than I do the avg. customer I will do what I can to help one out and I want the same in return. Do not sell your games cheap just because you have them. If it is a Klov brother then that is one thing but to the avg Joeblow charge what they are worth.
 
Ha.. just last week had someone here give me their two cents worth on a CL ad...

but I dont think he knew I'm here as well....

what a dick... constructive help is one thing... just feeling the need to email / PM just over a price for something they don't have any interest in is just dickish...

but.. at the same time... I didn't really care , so no harm..
 
Price policing is funny when someone tries to sell a pac man converted to arkanoid that's been underwater for a year :) Other than those cases it's really a waste.

A lot of times though people just being helpful is interpreted as price policing. I do see around here that sometimes people don't seem to understand why one instance of a game is worth a lot more than another of the same game. In those cases the community is being helpful by sharing with the game's owner what details make the difference.

It's kinda like ebay.. just because the new in box flawless superman doll sold for a million dollars on ebay doesn't mean your tattered boxless one is also worth that.
 
Price policing is one of the key things getting in the way of posting new forum rules/guidelines here.

In short, as I mentioned 2 weeks ago, I'm inclined to ban price policing. There are a lot of legitimate factors involved in pricing and it is quite subjective. Where to draw the line and to allow calling a price 'abusive' is likely impossible to put into a policy that would work.

That said, I am inclined to allow some quality policing. It would be helpful to buyers to reveal facts about an item that might not be obvious to a newbie buyer (or possibly even to the seller himself). Side art ½ ripped off is obvious to all and deserves no comments. An incorrect replacement overlay or a conversion machine that some might not know is a conversion is something else. These types of posts on condition might likely be appropriate, as long as the comments didn't say that because of the condition the price was ridiculous. (quality policing shouldn't open the door to price policing).

Several years ago I was at a Superauctions auction here in L.A. I had interest in a pinball machine. I could see its condition and I knew what they generally went for. Some how I didn't see what should have been obvious--that one of the playfield's elevated ramps was entirely missing. I appreciated the quality police pointing it out to me before I bid on the item...

I've been PMed the arguments that PP helps protect the newbees from abusive 'dealer' pricing and that these forums shouldn't be a venue for such dealers (who have CL and eBay and their web sites) and that they forums should just be for collector to collector deals...

What I see is a lot of arguments back and forth because of the PP, and I question how many newbies are being helped.

Maybe the PP here can help me on a FAQ/Newbie Buyers Guide to help educate and 'protect' instead...
 
Price Policing doesnt bother me a bit. Shit, I cant even sell games for cheap here.
 
In short, as I mentioned 2 weeks ago, I'm inclined to ban price policing.
Please do. Nobody can show any legitimate reasoning for this.
That said, I am inclined to allow some quality policing. It would be helpful to buyers to reveal facts about an item that might not be obvious to a newbie buyer (or possibly even to the seller himself). Side art ½ ripped off is obvious to all and deserves no comments. An incorrect replacement overlay or a conversion machine that some might not know is a conversion is something else. These types of posts on condition might likely be appropriate, as long as the comments didn't say that because of the condition the price was ridiculous. (quality policing shouldn't open the door to price policing).
Opens it up to opinion of what is appropriate, some people may sneak in "price policing" comments in the guise of "Quality policing." While I agree to an extent that this may not be a bad thing I could see it being abused.

I've been PMed the arguments that PP helps protect the newbees from abusive 'dealer' pricing and that these forums shouldn't be a venue for such dealers (who have CL and eBay and their web sites) and that they forums should just be for collector to collector deals...

What I see is a lot of arguments back and forth because of the PP, and I question how many newbies are being helped.

Maybe the PP here can help me on a FAQ/Newbie Buyers Guide to help educate and 'protect' instead...

I'm more of the type of person who says Caveat Emptor, I don't think it's the responsibility of the people here or the site itself to protect all of the poor victims of price gouging. If individuals can't take the time to do the research to find out what the going rate is for an item, then they deserve to get burned. Don't mean to sound cold and heartless, but why is it our responsibility to protect people here? And what is the problem with someone making a buck? The forums are already a great source of information on going rates for items, all one would have to do is search the FS forum and you could easily determine a range of prices for said item.
As for the ones who want to "protect" the noobs, ask yourself if you act the same way when that noob asks the same repair question in the wrong forum that has already been answered 1000 times before. Do you give them the answer they want or do you say something like "If you would search the repair forum, you'd know your answer"

To me, FS posts should be limited to the item for sale, posts clarifying any information about said item, and posts saying the item has been sold. Nothing else. Questions should be sent via pm, and if the seller chooses, he can add the information to the post. I still personally think that only the OP should be allowed to post in the FS forum.

Sorry to beat this horse some more, I don't think it's dead quite yet
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The price policing can be pretty much summed up as spam if you think about it. If you don't think a price is fair, don't make an offer. I've listed pinballs on RGP or Mr. Pinball and had people rake me over the coals via email only for an offer to come in minutes later that accept my asking price in full.

The buyer is the one who can decide if the price is fair or not. Posting anything derogatory about the price doesn't help the community, it stifles the sale. I think this community is at its best when people are able to sell their products, buy what they're looking for, and make fair trades.

If you want a couple of crazy price policers, check out the BYOAC pinball people. There's a couple members (names withheld) that basically freak out on people if they pay more than $200 for a HUO Cactus Canyon.
 
Price is an arbitary number that is derived from a very subjective concept - perceived value.

How can you police something that's subjective?

If a price is too high, then the seller will know it. The item won't sell.

If the price is too low, then the seller will know it. The item will see instantly.

If the price is about right, then the seller will know it. The buyer will want to haggle.

However, that perceived value on an item has to be based on a truthful listing by the seller. Full disclosure, pictures, price, shipping, insurance, honesty, etc.
 
I am one several other forums that have selling forums and they do not allow any pp stuff to go on in the forsale forums. They also do not allow you to comment about the seller, they do not allow any off topic chatter in the forsale forums either. They do have separate forum for buyer/seller feedback. They just allow you to ask questions about the item or shipping etc.

I do think this works and works well....

Dave
 
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While I dont take part in price policing for the most part I do think it is an important part of the forum. I have knowingly paid above and below "fair market value" a few times and I think that FMV is determined by talking to others in the market. It is completely subjective and that is why prices should be open to conversation. If you want to list something for sale and dont want input on your item (price/condition etc..) dont post it FS on a DISCUSSION FORUM, key word being "discussion."

Talking about prices in specific FS threads may walk a fine line between discussion and spamming so maybe we could agree to flag the BS spamming posts. If retailers wanna come here and post their games FS and ask retailer prices I dont have a problem with that because I have a brain and if a neewbie gets taken for a high price then so be it. We have all overpaid before I am sure. "Helping newbies" sounds like an excuse to spam retailers about their prices which I think suck too but are their right to list since they too offer something to the forum.

Get me?
 
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