Kurz Kasch project anyone?
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Zinfer
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I can't seem to locate which line is the composite video. There is the power plug of course, then there's a line leading to an Atari Joystick. Then there are two other lines.
One would have to be video out..the other I'm thinking is a 5v output or something. I opened the unit up but I'm just not seeing where composite video comes from.
One would have to be video out..the other I'm thinking is a 5v output or something. I opened the unit up but I'm just not seeing where composite video comes from.
OP
OP
The only reason I was considering watermarking them was to keep people from claiming that they were the ones to bring this forth to the community... and no, I'm not referring to JRR.
JRR, I have all of this, we still need to hook up on getting this stuff up on your site.
Raymond
DarrenF
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I know different people have different opinions on the matter. I wished to keep things positive, so I simply thanked John for his policy, rather than criticize the opposing point of view.
Of course, it's my opinion that it's counterproductive to penalize the 99.9% of good, normal, respectful users (by subjecting them to a watermark) due to the actions of the other 0.1%.
The small (but growing) amount of information I have contributed to the community (at http://www.finck.net/arcade/ ) is free from watermarks or other adulteration. I encourage others to do the same, and am most appreciative of those who do so.
ArcRevival
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Am I missing something ? Who would bother to claim they were the one that made a scan available when it wasn't really them ? And who would care if someone did claim it ? I sent quite a few to be scanned, not even sure how many but it was a lot. If anyone wants to pretend to be the person that sent them, feel free.
JRR
Member
Update on Flippers KK list (2016)
Hey channelmaniac, my apologies, I never posted here that you ended up sending me all those PDFs. Greatly appreciated!
http://flippers.com/kurzkasc.html
I still have a few holes:
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Like I said, just missing a few...
Thanks,
John :-#)#
OK!
These are now scanned and converted to .pdf.
0500021 Midway PROM RAM Test.pdf
1000 Test Fixture Test Set.pdf
115A Ramtek Clean Sweep.pdf
122AB Atari - Key Tank.pdf
123AB Atari - Kee Gran Trak 10.pdf
124AB Atari - Kee Gran Trak 20.pdf
129AB Allied Leisure Street Burner.pdf
141AB Control Sales Video Action II.pdf
167ABC Midway Wheels II.pdf
169 169A Brunswick Air Hockey.pdf
170AB Atari Crash N Score.pdf
171ABC Atari Jet Fighter.pdf
174AB Ramtek Trivia.pdf
179A Atari Steeplechase.pdf
182ABCD Chicago Coin - Exidy - Demolition Derby - Destruction Derby - Death Race.pdf
185ABC Midway Gun Fighter.pdf
189A Meadows Flim Flam 4 Player - 4 in 1.pdf
192A Midway Seawolf.pdf
194AC Video 5 - Take 5.pdf
196AC Atari Stunt Cycle.pdf
209AB Ramtek Hit Me.pdf
213AB Atari Breakout.pdf
215A Midway Tornado Baseball.pdf
217AB Atari Fly Ball.pdf
219AB Atari Lemans.pdf
222AC Midway 280 ZZZAP.pdf
224ABC Atari Night Driver.pdf
231ABC Atari Sprint II.pdf
232A PSE Bazooka.pdf
234BC Meadows Lazer Command - Barefoot Bonkers - Meadows Lanes.pdf
235A Midway Maze.pdf
241AC Gremlin Blockade.pdf
247AC Midway Power Supply Checker.pdf
249A Midway Checkmate.pdf
252ABC Atari Dominos.pdf
253A Midway Boot Hil.pdf
254AB Atari Triple Hunt.pdf
256A Midway Double Play.pdf
257ABC Atari Starship.pdf
261AB Kee Games Drag Race.pdf
262A Midway Guided Missile.pdf
263A Ramtek M-79 Ambush.pdf
265ABC Atari Super Bug.pdf
266AC Exidy Robot Bowl - Circus.pdf
276AB Atari Destroyer.pdf
278A Midway Clowns - Space Walk.pdf
279AB Atari Canyon Bomber.pdf
282A 283B Midway Sea Wolf II.pdf
283B Midway Mother Board II.pdf
285AB Atari Tournament Table.pdf
287ABC Atari Sprint I.pdf
288AB Atari Fire Truck - Smokey Joe.pdf
294AB Atari Super Breakout.pdf
295A Midway Space Invaders.pdf
299AB Atari Football.pdf
300ABCDE Rock-Ola Credit Unit.pdf
301A 300BCE Rock-Ola Popularity Unit.pdf
302C Rock-Ola Logic Unit.pdf
303A Bally Sound Board.pdf
304A Midway Space Invaders II - Deluxe Space Invaders.pdf
309AC Cinematronics Vectorbeam Exercisor.pdf
309AC Cinematronics Vectorbeam.pdf
313ABC Gremlin Head-On - Digger.pdf
322AB Atari Asteroids.pdf
326AB Midway Galaxian.pdf
331A Bally CPU Sound Board.pdf
333AB Exidy Targ - Mod for Venture - Spectar - Mousetrap - Pepper.pdf
333AB Exidy Targ.pdf
335A Deco Astro Fighter.pdf
336A Nichibutsu Crazy Climber.pdf
336AB Atari Missile Command.pdf
337A Midway Space Encounters.pdf
340A Centuri Eagle.pdf
341A Gremlin - Sega Carniva - Head On II - Invinco.pdf
345AB Midway Pac Man.pdf
346A Midway Rally-X.pdf
351A Midway Gorf - Space Zap.pdf
351A Midway Gorf.pdf
352A Atari Audio Board.pdf
355A Centuri Phoenix-Pleiades.pdf
359A Williams Defender.pdf
360A Games LTD - Nichibutsu Rolling Crash - Moon Base.pdf
361A Games LTD - Nichibutsu Moon Alien.pdf
362A Midway Wizard of Wor.pdf
362AB Midway Galaxian.pdf
365A Stern Scramble - Super Cobra.pdf
374A Midway Galaga.pdf
386A Midway Tron - Kickman - Tapper.pdf
388A Sega - Gremlin Zaxxon.pdf
398A Sega - Gremlin Turbo.pdf
400A Midway Burger Time.pdf
402A Centuri Time Pilot - Loco-Motion.pdf
406A Midway Super Pac Man.pdf
6502 Programmable NOP Fixture.pdf
6800 Programmable NOP Fixture.pdf
8080 Programmable NOP Fixture.pdf
Midway Ram Tester.pdf
TF-650 Operating Data.pdf
TF-650-3A 5A Kurz Kasch Instructions.pdf
TF-650-5B Kurz Kasch Instructions.pdf
Z80 Programmable NOP Fixture.pdf
Call me names, but I did put a 5% watermark on the pages.
Hey channelmaniac, my apologies, I never posted here that you ended up sending me all those PDFs. Greatly appreciated!
http://flippers.com/kurzkasc.html
I still have a few holes:
113
117
118
133
134
153
156
158
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329
330
334
338
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349
350
356
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364
367
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371
372
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380
404
414
418
425
Like I said, just missing a few...
Thanks,
John :-#)#
OP
OP
Hi John,
Happy to help with data where I can. I don't bogart much... just where my honey holes are for parts.
Raymond
Happy to help with data where I can. I don't bogart much... just where my honey holes are for parts.
Raymond
I don't have the test fixture but have a SIG2. I couldn't find any pdf on it at flippers but did find it somewhere.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/70518128/KK-Signature2.pdf
will remove link if I am breaking some code.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/70518128/KK-Signature2.pdf
will remove link if I am breaking some code.
OP
OP
Unless it has some current copyright (which the KK stuff does not) you're fine.
My dropbox link was broken so fixed it. Also included in the sig2.pdf is this
http://arcarc.xmission.com/Test Equ...nature_Analysis_For_Micro-Processors_1980.pdf
Channelmanic or John. I don't see many of the below on the flippers.com website. Is it possible to get links to these files? Also, it is noted in above docs that 6502A NOP adapter should be used with Atari games. Anyone ever seen info on this adapter and why it and the signatures of 6502a would be different than 6502?
6502 Programmable NOP Fixture.pdf
6800 Programmable NOP Fixture.pdf
8080 Programmable NOP Fixture.pdf
Midway Ram Tester.pdf
TF-650 Operating Data.pdf
TF-650-3A 5A Kurz Kasch Instructions.pdf
TF-650-5B Kurz Kasch Instructions.pdf
Z80 Programmable NOP Fixture.pdf
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I just wanted to say thanks to all involved with this effort.
Thank you very much for preserving these historical arcade documents!
Thank you very much for preserving these historical arcade documents!
advans13
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Ive always used a 6502 nop for atari. Works fine on my hp sig analyzer.
If anyone has a decent unit to trade i have some other test stuff to trade for it.
this is the page I was referring to. Not sure what the difference is. Do you know which signatures you got?
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advans13
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this is the page I was referring to. Not sure what the difference is. Do you know which signatures you got?
Maybe that is more to do with the KK unit than the cpu itself. Simple check, but my shit is packed away and i go by the 6502 table not the "a" table as listed.
I use a hp 5006a
Found the answer to "special" atari 6502 noop adapter here https://pairlist7.pair.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/2009q1/000661.html
John R. and Pat D. are both on this thread which is an interesting read.
John, your ftp directory ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/ is basically empty unless I need a different username.
"OK Guys,
A 6502 NOP will not produce sig's that match Atari doc's.
Reason is the 6502 takes two clock cycles to do a NOP instruction.
The Cat Box takes one clock cycle.
So you get double readings of each address. All you need to do is make
an NOP using a couple of counter IC's to cycle through the address range
on each clock cycle. Or divide the clock by 2 and use this as your clock
connection for the Analyzer. You can do this with one D type flip flop IC.
Tim "
"Thanks for the info Tim.
I've made a new NOP adapter today that just uses a pair of LS393s as a
16 bit counter as per the CAT box schematics and am now getting Atari
signatures!
Martin. "
>>edit>> better thread that details adding the clock divider to get atari sigs
http://www.vectorlist.org/TechTools/2010/06/0064.html
John R. and Pat D. are both on this thread which is an interesting read.
John, your ftp directory ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/ is basically empty unless I need a different username.
"OK Guys,
A 6502 NOP will not produce sig's that match Atari doc's.
Reason is the 6502 takes two clock cycles to do a NOP instruction.
The Cat Box takes one clock cycle.
So you get double readings of each address. All you need to do is make
an NOP using a couple of counter IC's to cycle through the address range
on each clock cycle. Or divide the clock by 2 and use this as your clock
connection for the Analyzer. You can do this with one D type flip flop IC.
Tim "
"Thanks for the info Tim.
I've made a new NOP adapter today that just uses a pair of LS393s as a
16 bit counter as per the CAT box schematics and am now getting Atari
signatures!
Martin. "
>>edit>> better thread that details adding the clock divider to get atari sigs
http://www.vectorlist.org/TechTools/2010/06/0064.html
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advans13
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Were you reading just the signatures of the CPU or of test points in the atari troubleshooting guide? If just the sigs on the CPU, then I suspect they will match a normal 6502 nop which, I guess, only verifies the CPU is good. I have a KK sig2 which should give same results as hp5004 but I can't prove that
. Haven't built a 6502 nop yet but it is next on my to do list.check this thread out which states the 6502 nop signatures do not match atari cat box sigs using HP5004. I think there are documents floating around that do have the (non catbox) 6502 signatures though.
http://www.vectorlist.org/TechTools/2002/10/0035.html
anyway this is probably old news to the old timers but new to me.
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advans13
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Were you reading just the signatures of the CPU or of test points in the atari troubleshooting guide? If just the sigs on the CPU, then I suspect they will match a normal 6502 nop which, I guess, only verifies the CPU is good. I have a KK sig2 which should give same results as hp5004 but I can't prove that
check this thread out which states the 6502 nop signatures do not match atari cat box sigs using HP5004. I think there are documents floating around that do have the (non catbox) 6502 signatures though.
http://www.vectorlist.org/TechTools/2002/10/0035.html
anyway this is probably old news to the old timers but new to me.
Yup these discussions seem to happen every few years and the same info is pulled up. Which isn't a bad thing.
I believe there is some guides on jess askeys site for; bz, asteroids and AD using the 5004/5006 and catbox. I prefer the hp units (match catbox) not familiar with KK.
http://www.rasterlist.org/TechTools/2000/01/0040.html
http://gamearchive.askey.org/Video_Games/Manufacturers/Atari/signatures/
As long as you do the same measurement points or have a known working board to work from in addition, a sig is a sig and you can make your own guide so to speak.
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I know we are getting off OP topic....
re. http://gamearchive.askey.org/Video_Games/Manufacturers/Atari/signatures/
Awesome bit of info there! I was just there doing more reading while you posted.
I am holding out confirmation that hp5004/6 sigs match documented atari catbox sigs at this point. The docs written by Peter Fyfe appear to be for 5004 using a standard 6502 nop. So no doubt sigs from hp5004/6 should match his docs. My kk will likely match as well but I will verify this later.
Peter's guides for Lunar Lander, Asteroids, and Asteroids DLX had to be written as ,based on my reading, Atari didn't start including the cat box sigs on schematics until Battlezone.
My theory is, neither KKSig2 or HP should match Atari document w/o a modified 6502 NoP. Easy enough to verify...eventually if I /someone gets around to it.
re. http://gamearchive.askey.org/Video_Games/Manufacturers/Atari/signatures/
Awesome bit of info there! I was just there doing more reading while you posted.
I am holding out confirmation that hp5004/6 sigs match documented atari catbox sigs at this point. The docs written by Peter Fyfe appear to be for 5004 using a standard 6502 nop. So no doubt sigs from hp5004/6 should match his docs. My kk will likely match as well but I will verify this later.
Peter's guides for Lunar Lander, Asteroids, and Asteroids DLX had to be written as ,based on my reading, Atari didn't start including the cat box sigs on schematics until Battlezone.
My theory is, neither KKSig2 or HP should match Atari document w/o a modified 6502 NoP. Easy enough to verify...eventually if I /someone gets around to it.
JRR
Member
There is a text file that when you open gives you the new FTP site address...you have to work a bit, and it confuses spambots and file suckers I hope!
John :-#)#
