I really think both guys are cool.
I volunteer to be the third.
I volunteer to be the third.
KLOV - Code of Ethics Policy
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modessitt
Volunteer: Encyclopedia Submission Moderator
I will sell my vote....
RedWolfJC
New member
Just to clarify, that wasn't meant to be a personal attack at either Chris or Dave... I just wouldn't want to be the one who would have to be the tie breaker in their debates
pseeds
Active member
Who will be Chairman of the bored?
Poor Bored Members.
What the world needs now...
Poor Bored Members.
What the world needs now...
roughly 15 hours of total time. One badly water damaged, coin door panel kicked in, Huge lock bar, no back door POS. It turned out pretty good for the first one. I have a page of notes to go back into the software and fix a few hole locations, etc. nothing major. Besides, who wouldn't want a nice lightweight Track n field?? My cabs weigh just under 1/2 of the particle board cabinets.
pseeds
Active member
That sounds awesome.
Tighe
Well-known member
While I wouldn't want to see any game parted out, this is a free country (well somewhat free, less than it used to be.) and people are allowed to do whatever they want with their property, no matter how we may feel about it. I will fight to protect that any day over a game being parted.
chris25810
Well-known member
Perhaps you could sell it in pieces? Whole would be against my policy
Just to clarify, that wasn't meant to be a personal attack at either Chris or Dave... I just wouldn't want to be the one who would have to be the tie breaker in their debates
I think that's how it was understood by everyone who read it.
chris25810
Well-known member
As always Dave i respect your point of view but you really need to get off the pedestal for a moment or two cuz you're doing the same thing everybody else is doing even if it is in smaller doses. You've saved alot of games, restored alot of games made people happy and pissed off a few along the way. Sounds like a typical scenario in any hobby or business.
Loosen up a little bit and when you're ready to bullshit over a beer or soda (whatever you want, remember i'm buyin) at CAX, you know where to find me. Don't forget that your name was never mentioned at all and there are certainly other people out here that voice their opinion in your favor but you instantly took it to heart and assumed it was you i was talking about.
BTW, if you wanna hear a good smear tactic story, i've got a great one that's about to send someone to jail for something they are definitely guilty of. You should pm me for my number soon, i'm getting real thirsty. After 5-10 minutes of arguing, you'll find we'll probably get along just fine. Now that you've taken a step down, take one back and look at the people that are really screwing things up for the arcade community,scrapping games isn't where the problem lies these days.
Loosen up a little bit and when you're ready to bullshit over a beer or soda (whatever you want, remember i'm buyin) at CAX, you know where to find me. Don't forget that your name was never mentioned at all and there are certainly other people out here that voice their opinion in your favor but you instantly took it to heart and assumed it was you i was talking about.
BTW, if you wanna hear a good smear tactic story, i've got a great one that's about to send someone to jail for something they are definitely guilty of. You should pm me for my number soon, i'm getting real thirsty. After 5-10 minutes of arguing, you'll find we'll probably get along just fine. Now that you've taken a step down, take one back and look at the people that are really screwing things up for the arcade community,scrapping games isn't where the problem lies these days.
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Part of the problem is that people don't want to buy a game for a fair price because some great deals have been had on used games so now everyone thinks that is the new going price for now on for all of the same machines. And the price police make sure of it. So that now makes all the parts worth much more then the whole machine. I have tried to sell a complete working play choice 10 2 monitor upright for $500 to a few local people and they act like I am way out of line on the price. But I can pull the 10 working carts off of the board, pull the board out, pull the 2 nintendo monitors out, the marquee, monitor glass, control panel, coin door, wire harness and other stuff out and have no problem selling the parts for $800 easy. Now I don't want to part it out. I would rather sell it as a complete working machine for $500. parting it out and selling all the parts is way more work and trouble. Then take into account that a machine may not be mint. The cpo or side art is torn or it has lock bar holes and then people act like you should give it away for next to nothing because it might need some work. So if I can't sell it for $500 then their is no real reason I wouldn't part it out. I almost never do part out good clean games but I do get some beaters in every now and then and also have 30 years of parts all stacked everywhere. Now I am not trying to start some nasty threads or get a bunch of people upset, it is just everyone is not in it for the same reasons. Sometime it just makes cents to part a machine out.
Eric
Cointech
Eric
Cointech
joeycuda
Well-known member
Doesn't this boil down to.. if someone owns something, they can do whatever the hell they want with it? Part it out, sell it on Ebay, etc..
It's nice to wish games wouldn't be parted out, but to attack someone on a somewhat-anonymous Internet forum crosses over the line into none-of-your-business-land.
I've parted rough games out and some decent ones when i couldn't sell the game as a whole. If you really want a decent code of ethics rule on here - don't price police or comment on prices in a FS post.... I see that a lot and it's tacky.
It's nice to wish games wouldn't be parted out, but to attack someone on a somewhat-anonymous Internet forum crosses over the line into none-of-your-business-land.
I've parted rough games out and some decent ones when i couldn't sell the game as a whole. If you really want a decent code of ethics rule on here - don't price police or comment on prices in a FS post.... I see that a lot and it's tacky.
You are absolutely right. People with a different point of view are going to say, go to your video game partout forum and have fun.
The fact that you made a factually correct statement is not the be all end all of the conversation though.
The same right you have as an owner of a game is the same right another forum member has as a member of a preservation society, to their opinion.
I totally agree, that it's your game, do what you want though. bottom line.
just because you can do something doesnt make it right. thats what ethics are all about, just because you are within your legal rights to do something doesnt automatically mean it is ethical to do so. so while it is factually correct that one may do what they want with their own property, that doesnt mean what they are doing is ethical. for instance, someone rich could potentially buy a classic masterpiece painting and paint over it, crap on it, or light it on fire, that doesnt mean its an ethical thing to do such, depriving future generations of its beauty.
in this case, it is up to the owner and their own conscience, and the lines are drawn in shades of gray, and rarely are things black and white. all anyone can do is vote with their pocketbooks, and avoid doing business with anyone who they feel acts in an inappropriate or unethical manner. if it were up to me, i would say it is unethical to part out a working classic just to make a couple bucks, and the rarer it is, the worse the crime. its just such an arbitrary thing of what is too far gone to be a project or how close to working is it unacceptable to part it out, its too subjective to put into black and white. some things are just obviously wrong to some people, and to others they do it guilt free. i guess as long as the parts are going into working games its not that bad, its the cocksuckers that gut a classic and drop in a bootleg multi board or hang/bolt some big shitty mame CP on the front in a way that is not easily reversible that piss me off. also anyone who paints over the original art if its in any kind of decent condition with a flat color just to make their shitty multi look "shopped". multis belong in custom built or shitty jamma cabs.
in this case, it is up to the owner and their own conscience, and the lines are drawn in shades of gray, and rarely are things black and white. all anyone can do is vote with their pocketbooks, and avoid doing business with anyone who they feel acts in an inappropriate or unethical manner. if it were up to me, i would say it is unethical to part out a working classic just to make a couple bucks, and the rarer it is, the worse the crime. its just such an arbitrary thing of what is too far gone to be a project or how close to working is it unacceptable to part it out, its too subjective to put into black and white. some things are just obviously wrong to some people, and to others they do it guilt free. i guess as long as the parts are going into working games its not that bad, its the cocksuckers that gut a classic and drop in a bootleg multi board or hang/bolt some big shitty mame CP on the front in a way that is not easily reversible that piss me off. also anyone who paints over the original art if its in any kind of decent condition with a flat color just to make their shitty multi look "shopped". multis belong in custom built or shitty jamma cabs.
So a preservation society wants to tell members to not part out complete working games.
Then there should also be an understanding, or code of ethics, that any one with a complete working game should be able to set whatever price they desire (doesn't mean they'll get it) without anyone else commenting it's too high.
Most people want to get as much money as they can whenever possible. And they could just go to another arcade forum that has no "preservation code" and offer to sell it, or part it out to avoid getting hassled here.
What if I had a complete working Zoo Keeper cab (which I don't) and all it needed was the pcb? But I couldn't find a pcb for the price I wanted because they were priced too high. And no one wanted to buy my complete cab for the high price I wanted? Should I part it out, or let it take up space and collect dust? Who would step up to the plate and buy the cab for my high price and save it from being parted out? Or who would lower their pcb price so I could buy it? What's the right thing to do? Should I part it out to try to get my asking price?
Older arcade games only matter to a minority, compared to the majority of newcomers to arcade collecting who might see an old arcade cab, complete or not, and think "Cool, an arcade machine!". Then they buy it either because they think it would be cool to own an arcade game, or use as a MAME cab if they really don't like the game.
When getting into this hobby I don't think too many are into the "preservation" mentality. I think it develops as you spend more time cleaning and fixing up the games and getting them working that you appreciate it more and decide you want to really preserve the originality of a game. And that's really if you even care that much for the game.
So if some one who is not a KLOVer sees and old arcade game for sale cheap and want's to flip it or part it out because they see on Goggle that it's rare and they want to make some cash, what can you do?
Some one once said, "Things like this are gonna happen and it doesn't matter who wants to bitch about it".
I need some sleep. Sorry for ranting.
Then there should also be an understanding, or code of ethics, that any one with a complete working game should be able to set whatever price they desire (doesn't mean they'll get it) without anyone else commenting it's too high.
Most people want to get as much money as they can whenever possible. And they could just go to another arcade forum that has no "preservation code" and offer to sell it, or part it out to avoid getting hassled here.
What if I had a complete working Zoo Keeper cab (which I don't) and all it needed was the pcb? But I couldn't find a pcb for the price I wanted because they were priced too high. And no one wanted to buy my complete cab for the high price I wanted? Should I part it out, or let it take up space and collect dust? Who would step up to the plate and buy the cab for my high price and save it from being parted out? Or who would lower their pcb price so I could buy it? What's the right thing to do? Should I part it out to try to get my asking price?
Older arcade games only matter to a minority, compared to the majority of newcomers to arcade collecting who might see an old arcade cab, complete or not, and think "Cool, an arcade machine!". Then they buy it either because they think it would be cool to own an arcade game, or use as a MAME cab if they really don't like the game.
When getting into this hobby I don't think too many are into the "preservation" mentality. I think it develops as you spend more time cleaning and fixing up the games and getting them working that you appreciate it more and decide you want to really preserve the originality of a game. And that's really if you even care that much for the game.
So if some one who is not a KLOVer sees and old arcade game for sale cheap and want's to flip it or part it out because they see on Goggle that it's rare and they want to make some cash, what can you do?
Some one once said, "Things like this are gonna happen and it doesn't matter who wants to bitch about it".
I need some sleep. Sorry for ranting.
Spyridon
Well-known member
It should be simple.
If you have this...
Go ahead and part it out
If you have this...
Don't even think of parting it out
If you have this...
Go ahead and part it out
If you have this...
Don't even think of parting it out
Paladin
Well-known member
Since when did arcade machines start being compared to works of fine art?
Sure I wince when a game is parted or converted, but in the end this is just a hobby to me. It's great that these games are still around to remind me of my teen years, but in the end they're just really big toys not holy relics, unique pieces of fine art or one of a kind historic documents.
Just like pretty much every hobby (not to mention religion), there are people who take things to the extreme and get worked up at other folks who don't share their views. Am I saying that everyone should treat arcade cabs as meaningless things to be ripped apart, burned or trashed at will? Am I saying you shouldn't reply to that person stating that you don't agree with what they're planning to do? No, I'm just saying that if you find yourself getting really upset over what someone else is doing with a game you should calm down a bit first and remember that that's all it really is - a game.
Sure I wince when a game is parted or converted, but in the end this is just a hobby to me. It's great that these games are still around to remind me of my teen years, but in the end they're just really big toys not holy relics, unique pieces of fine art or one of a kind historic documents.
Just like pretty much every hobby (not to mention religion), there are people who take things to the extreme and get worked up at other folks who don't share their views. Am I saying that everyone should treat arcade cabs as meaningless things to be ripped apart, burned or trashed at will? Am I saying you shouldn't reply to that person stating that you don't agree with what they're planning to do? No, I'm just saying that if you find yourself getting really upset over what someone else is doing with a game you should calm down a bit first and remember that that's all it really is - a game.
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Tighe
Well-known member
It should be simple.
If you have this...
Go ahead and part it out
If you have this...
Don't even think of parting it out
Good point, Really the only thing that bothers me about parting out is the destruction of the cabinet in the end, especially if that cabinet is in good condition. I have seen many nice cabs get burned on the internets. I really don't care if the cabinet is shit.
retroACTIVE
Active member
I'm a restoration nut and will give stuff away generally before I part or pitch... however how exactly to you all intend on enforcing these ethics?
pseeds
Active member
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