Kick Buttons - New Bulbs ... Still Not Working

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Re: Kick Buttons

disregard ... I was able to just wiggle it from side to side and pull it out ... the lampholder assembly just snaps in ...

Kent
 
Re: Kick Buttons

I was waiting for a response like this ...
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Re: Kick Buttons

ok ... so I got new bulbs and the lights are still not working ... does anybody have a kick with working buttons?

Kent
 
Re: Kick Buttons

sorry I cant help I have a kick and i couldnt get my lights to work on the buttons. It was a couple years ago when i was trying to fix it.
 
Re: Kick Buttons

Playing the new kick as a kid, I dont remember the buttons being lit.

Do the leads have voltage on them?
 
Re: Kick Buttons

If I remember correctly those are controlled lamps. There should be a test in the test mode to drive them. If not then I think coining up the game will make them light up or flash, I dont recall which. Since they dont work I would verify that your actually getting a good +12 at the lamps with the load in place (the bulbs) by using a GND on the power supply as your negative test point and checking the +12 on the bulbs when they are supposed to be lit up. Bally/Midway used some strange current limiting circuits that will read fine when theres no load (the bulbs) but as soon as you put them in the +12 takes a dump!

That said, I would put LED's in there if it were me. I know its not factory but fried up broken ass plastic buttons isnt factory either. #161's and #194's create a good amount of heat in that button and the heat will dry out or melt the plastic after time.

Matt
 
Re: Kick Buttons

thanks ... yeah, I don't get it ... I know the bulbs are good and I think the lamp holders are getting +12v ... I measured the voltage by putting the red lead to the metal tab on the lampholder assembly and the black lead to the ground strap attached to the track ball ...

I don't really understand the wiring diagram ... It seems the +12 is fed to the lights and then to the sound i/o board ...

http://cid-4127ea3a33b50049.skydrive.liv...wirediagram.JPG

Does this make sense?

Kent
 
Re: Kick Buttons

If your getting the proper readings your bulbs should be lighting up. Id say your either using the wrong bulbs or your sockets are bad.
 
Re: Kick Buttons

If I remember correctly those are controlled lamps. There should be a test in the test mode to drive them.
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The operators manual doesnt indicate there is a test ... unfortunately, I can't get the game into test mode because the switch is either not functioning or not wired correctly ...

If not then I think coining up the game will make them light up or flash, I dont recall which.
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I believe I tried this, but I will try again ..

Since they dont work I would verify that your actually getting a good +12 at the lamps with the load in place (the bulbs) by using a GND on the power supply as your negative test point and checking the +12 on the bulbs when they are supposed to be lit up.
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I will try this ..

Bally/Midway used some strange current limiting circuits that will read fine when theres no load (the bulbs) but as soon as you put them in the +12 takes a dump!
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I am positive I tested with the bulbs in, but I will validate.

That said, I would put LED's in there if it were me. I know its not factory but fried up broken ass plastic buttons isnt factory either. #161's and #194's create a good amount of heat in that button and the heat will dry out or melt the plastic after time.
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If I can get them working, I may do this ...

Thanks
Kent
 
Re: Kick Buttons

the buttons were lit on kick. my money would be on bad sockets
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ok ... I have to admit I don't understand how these sockets could go bad ... they are nothing more than two metal tabs ... not arguing, just confused ...

any idea where I could pick these up? ... I can't find anything on happ's site that is even close ...

Kent
 
Re: Kick Buttons

you got a pic of the socket? 12V you may be lucky and find it at a mom and pop parts supplier. the sockets get crap and grime over the years and will corrode
 
Re: Kick Buttons

the kick button lights come from the power supply, and go to pin 23 of j5 on the ssio board. check continuity of the gray-red wire between the socket and J5 pin 23 on the ssio. If you've got continuity, then its a board problem. You can also ground that pin and see if the lights come on. If they do, its a board issue.
 
Re: Kick Buttons

thanks cdjump ... I was curious as to why the 12volts ran from the supply to the lights and then back into sound i/o board ... the sound i/o board either needs another +12v supply or it controls the lights ... I suspect the latter ...

I will do some more testing and post my results ...

Kent
 
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