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been watch and reading the kalan thing , gotta say this for the man he's here, standing up. what i have noticed is that while he could have said i m good guy because of this that and the other he didnt. he said i made a mistake. and i believe was coned as well but in a different way. other people brought up the examples of what he's done and how they've done business with him. that got my attention. he dosnt have to defened himself, it seems there are enough members who will do that for him. i'll have a beer with the guy.
 
pldoolittle is apparently wired in a way, where he is hoping for the opportunity to say "I told you so"

now he's hoping Kalan does turn up in the end to have a connection so he can be the only one "who saw through it all"

Not even close. But you would know that if you actually read what I wrote. Although I couldn't make my point without citing specifics, my comments weren't at all about indicting Kalan. There were about illustrating the different standards that are applied based on who's friends with who at the time. But as seems to be the norm on KLOV, it's easier to attack the messenger and ignore the message.

Clear as a window and not very smart

QED
 
Not even close. But you would know that if you actually read what I wrote. Although I couldn't make my point without citing specifics, my comments weren't at all about indicting Kalan. There were about illustrating the different standards that are applied based on who's friends with who at the time. But as seems to be the norm on KLOV, it's easier to attack the messenger and ignore the message.



QED

You miss the message I think. It's not 'subjective' as in, "I think he's a good guy, I have hung out with him" hence he's not guilty of any wrong doing. It should be analyzed based on the facts.

He interacts with multiple klovers. He ships products, he has zero bad feedback, when someone made mention that they didn't like the product he was selling he decides to pull it as to not insult anyone, rather than pull a dipshit move and go and buy shit from ramcontrols. (which is a slap in the face to everyone who has spent any time here)

Let's assume for a moment that he is "part of the in group with adam judd", what would it matter at this point?
If that were the case he has clearly positioned himself to have no repercussions from the fallout of ram. Plenty of people trust him. There is no way he is going to rip anyone off, seeing as he never has, and 20 people know where he lives from here. He would ride off into the sunset as another 'victim' of adam judd, and be on his best behavior from here on out.

Making everything you say in this thread a complete waste of everybody's time.
 
What wrong with you people? I been in the surplus electronics world for way too many 25+ years in and around the southern CA area. Kalan714 is a guy who buys and sells to feed his hobby. Kalan714 is well known for selling cheap. He been doing this for a while. People who bought from him sing his praises.

If owner of ram control was operating in your area. I bet many of you would have done business with them until it imploded. Before the collapse of ram control, I bet if he asked a favor, many would have said sure. Even if it was to borrow your pay pal account. Remember folks pay pal isn't always a smooth running operation. Just google pay pal complaints And read all the stories.

Kalan714 has gone above and beyond it shows by his action what kind of person he is. I see many people posts on great deals they have found on CL. I wonder how many people ask is this stolen and get a signature to say it wasn't stolen. Rarely no one questions why the keys are missing but they do brag about finding money in the bottom on the machine. Kalan714 has tried to make it right yet there are those who still want to call him guilty by association.

Kalan714 is just another victim of ram control. His reputation has took a hit even though he tried to make it right. There will always be those dark whispers that are design to hurt his business and reputation.

If Kalan714 ran his operation like a true business he would be stripping parts and selling pieces. How many time have people posted on his for sale threads that his machine he is selling is worth more in parts than what it is worth.

Kalan714 has a true love of the games. We always see his bargains he posts here. He can make more selling on Ebay or on CL. He runs his business like a hobby.He treats people the way he wants to be treated. He goes out of his way for most folks. He is a rare find in this hobby / world.
 
i am sure there will always be some that wont believe him; thats gonna happen regardless. some are just trying to deflect their own new found attention and just want to keep stirring the pot.
 
i am sure there will always be some that wont believe him; thats gonna happen regardless. some are just trying to deflect their own new found attention and just want to keep stirring the pot.

You guys are missing the forest for the tree (Glennon excepted). My comments aren't an indictment of Kalan's actions, they are an indictment of YOUR** actions. If you understood that, you would realize that it doesn't deflect attention from my "new found attention", but rather raises more questions about it.

in this thread a complete waste of everybody's time.

Intelligent discussion on a topic is only a waste of time when it falls upon the ears of those unwilling or incapable of intelligent thought. I'm not sure where you fall on that spectrum, but based on how quickly you toss out gradeschool insults when you disagree with someone...

bet if he asked a favor, many would have said sure. Even if it was to borrow your pay pal account.

A favor? Sure, we all do. But borrow my paypal account and take/forward money? Not a chance in hell. Being asked to accept and forward money is a giant red flag for a scam. If fact, it's the basis for MOST of the active internet related scams active today.


** Note: "your" is a collective term for those arguing that this thread should be expunged/forgotten, and not specifically Aloc's actions.
 
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I think to say he "made some bad decisions" is still a little extreme.

He had a friend who needed a favor, did the favor and it came back to bite him in the a$$.

I know none of the local klovers I know have an arcade business, but if they asked me to get payment for something I would do it.

I agree.

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I think the only thing Kalan is guilty of is being too naive when it comes to someone who he THOUGHT was a friend...

...and we've all been there (well, the nice guys have anyway).
 
I think the only thing Kalan is guilty of is being too naive when it comes to someone who he THOUGHT was a friend...

...and we've all been there (well, the nice guys have anyway).

Nice guys? Doesn't that leave you out? :D

Oh, and pldoolittle, I agree with you. Someone asking to use your PayPal account is HUGE GIANT F***ING RED FLAG!

  • It's YOUR email on the scam
  • It's YOUR name on the scam
  • Money laundering is a criminal offense
  • Their accounts are frozen FOR A REASON
  • "processing payments" = Money Mule = Crime
  • YOU are on the hook for the actions of the people you are taking money for!!!
  • And the list goes on and on as to why it's a BAD IDEA...

And, no, I'm not pointing fingers... Just agreeing with pldoolittle.

But I would like to give an e-smack up against Kalan's head and say "WHAT WERE YOU THINKING"... or "YOU SHOULD'VE HAD A V-8!!!!"

:)
 
Kalan714 has a true love of the games. We always see his bargains he posts here. He can make more selling on Ebay or on CL. He runs his business like a hobby.He treats people the way he wants to be treated. He goes out of his way for most folks. He is a rare find in this hobby / world.

Hi 5's to that :)
 
I agree.

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You really agree it's OK to use your Paypal account for other people's transactions? Someone asking to use your Paypal account to recieve payments is just plain wrong. Friend or not you have to ask yourself why is my so called buddy not able to use his own account? Maybe because he did something wrong. Once again Kalan me be an innocent vicim in all this ,but based on the actions of all those involved with Ram Controls I think it's only fair to wait until the authorites sort out this mess before he is totally let off the hook. Just because a dozen members of this forum say he's a great guy don't mean squat. Remember all those fooled into sticking up for Dave Adams in the past. Not saying you can't believe Kalan is innocent,but don't act like others are wrong for legitimently questioning his involvement in the Ram scam.
Glennon
 
I think the only thing Kalan is guilty of is being too naive when it comes to someone who he THOUGHT was a friend...

...and we've all been there (well, the nice guys have anyway).
Jon remember when you kept trying to tell people that Dave Adams and Ram Controls was a scam and so many people stuck up for Dave? And where are we now. Do you not see a simular thing going on here with Kalan? Let's just let it play out and see exactly what is proven to be his involvement was in this whole mess and not just take his word for it.. This question is not directed at you Friz ,but I'm still waiting to hear why people here basically ran Sealbeachguy out of here and he basically did the same thing as Kalan.
Glennon
 
Jon remember when you kept trying to tell people that Dave Adams and Ram Controls was a scam and so many people stuck up for Dave? And where are we now. Do you not see a simular thing going on here with Kalan? Let's just let it play out and see exactly what is proven to be his involvement was in this whole mess and not just take his word for it.. This question is not directed at you Friz ,but I'm still waiting to hear why people here basically ran Sealbeachguy out of here and he basically did the same thing as Kalan.
Glennon

FWIW: Kalan has a number of long-term members here that vouch for him. That speaks volumes in my book. Sealbeachguy has no one. Apples to oranges comparison.

I have also met Kalan... that doesn't mean much but it's something.

Also, Kalan has been pretty damn forthright thus far about the situation (as of late). It's my understanding that he had been in contact with the key players here (Steph for example) from a while ago which also says that guy is trying to help out.

Now, that said... it's unfortunate for Kalan that he made the decision he did to help out Dave/Adam... why? Because no matter what is said or who says it, there will be some who will ALWAYS associate him with RAM to some extent... and that is unfortunate.

Maybe I can feel for the guy a little... I had to deal with people pissed off at FOXEN ... and I caught a little shit simply because I lived near the guy and had met him a few times... I didn't even let him use my paypal address though...
 
1 topic that keeps coming up is the concept of accepting payments for someone else with your PayPal account. Not a great idea to say the least, yet I can totally see it happening.

This thread doesn't look like its getting any new ideas to it, and risks just falling into an abyss.

I'm inclined to close it fairly soon. If anyone has anything valuable (and new) to add to it, it can always be reopened.
 
You guys are missing the forest for the tree (Glennon excepted). My comments aren't an indictment of Kalan's actions, they are an indictment of YOUR** actions. If you understood that, you would realize that it doesn't deflect attention from my "new found attention", but rather raises more questions about it.
Maybe I'm missing the point here too, but are you saying that others in this post are hypocritical cause they are saying Kalan is a good guy, and that you are a jerk, because both of you have had dealings with Ram?


Either way, I think everyone should cut out the petty side arguments, and focus their anger where it belongs. Everytime one of these little bitch fests start, Dave/Adam/Dan/Jim/whomever breathes a little sigh of relief, as once again we get distracted from the real issue.
 
Ok, I can appreciate some of the 'easterners' (from us) perspective.

I still stand by the last statement I made in this thread (minus the insults) :)
 
1 topic that keeps coming up is the concept of accepting payments for someone else with your PayPal account. Not a great idea to say the least, yet I can totally see it happening.

This thread doesn't look like its getting any new ideas to it, and risks just falling into an abyss.

I'm inclined to close it fairly soon. If anyone has anything valuable (and new) to add to it, it can always be reopened.

Close it, please.

This is a dead horse, and there are enough RAM Controls threads out there in this section to handle the load. Thanks!
 
I put in my vote for Kalan being a good guy before this baby gets locked.

I trusted him with a decent sum of money for quite a few weeks on a part that I wasn't even going to be able to personally pick up. He communicated great, and the monitor was in even better shape than I had expected.

The only regret I had was not crossing paths and meeting him face to face at CAX. Maybe next year..
 
Maybe I'm missing the point here too, but are you saying that others in this post are hypocritical cause they are saying Kalan is a good guy, and that you are a jerk, because both of you have had dealings with Ram?

No, as I've stated before it has *nothing* to do with me. It's about this group abandoning reason for emotion. Until we knew Dan was Jim, his involvement was less than Kalan's. But we still crucified Jim and pardoned Kalan.

Looking farther back, we see good people (including Kalan) vouching for Dave. People had been to his house, seen his stuff, etc. Yet today, we should not only buy from Kalan, we should ERASE the history of his past from klov. Why? Because good people are vouching for him. People had been to his house, seen his stuff, etc. Deja Vu??

I'm not trying to label anyone a hypocrite or pillory Kalan. I'm just pointing out some people have a very short memory, and that is what allows scams to rip through KLOV. And that this thread should not be deleted because "he who does not study history, is doomed to repeat it."

As for this thread being closed, I'm totally cool with that.
 
A favor? Sure, we all do. But borrow my paypal account and take/forward money? Not a chance in hell. Being asked to accept and forward money is a giant red flag for a scam. If fact, it's the basis for MOST of the active internet related scams active today.

Did anyone get ripped off while ram control used Kalan's Paypal account? If there was I am sure kalan714 wouldn't have put up with it and we would heard about the civil case and jail time.
No, as I've stated before it has *nothing* to do with me.
Once you start talking about someone in a public forum as this you can not use the nothing to do with me argument. Your opinions and your posts are up for discussion and people are allowed to post about what you have written in this public forum ( of course following the guide lines of this forum ).

I still haven't heard from anyone who got scammed from Kalan714. I still haven't heard anything bad about his transactions going bad. Can someone who got ripped off by kalan714 please speak up?
 
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