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He didn't have to give login access to the account, just accept payments from the website via paypal email and forward payments to another account or withdraw cash. I could see how whateverthefuckhisrealnameis would make up a story that his account was frozen or something to that effect and weasel a request like that out of him. After all he is a con-artist. Personally though I would have told that clown to forget it and just open a new account or find someone else to do his bidding because of potential tax RAMifications.

There's really only one aspect that still bugs me.......for the life of me....I can't wrap my head around why you would give ANYONE access to your Paypal account. I'm not trying to be a jerk, or an asshole.....that issue, just bugs me. I'm just being honest with how I feel.....I truely mean no malice intent.

I do wish you good luck, Kalan.

Edward
 
You know, I've known Kalan for a few years, but if you add up the time we spent together hanging out, it might add up to 3 hours. If you count phone calls, it might add up to 7 hours.

But in that short period of time, I can say this - the guy calls me to shoot the shit very randomly, arcade-related or not. He has called me to meet up with him at the gun show to hang out and browse the tables. He has let me know about key deals that I might want to get in on. When there is a local party, he calls me to be sure I know about it - without fail. And we always manage to hang out here or there at CAX. And I always feel like someone he is really interested in shooting the shit with - and it's obviously genuine. And the guy knows his shit about the games. Really, a wealth of info, backed by a boatload of enthusiasm. Its always a good time hanging out with Kalan.

For free, he went with me to ENDOFLINE's to pick up a Dig Dug I bought, helped me load it in his truck, and helped me unload it at my storage unit.

We've owed each other money from time to time over deals and its always been a nonissue.

Kalan is a friend. To be very clear, I've made a lot of friends around here. More so than I've made in the last 20 years anywhere else. But Kalan is one of a kind. Perhaps we click. I dunno. But he's a good guy, and I'm glad to consider him a friend.

I know we are all past that now, all the sloppy nonsense testimonials. But I thought I'd throw that in here.

I don't know about any of hte RAM controls bullshit, and I don't give a god damn. But I know Kalan's integrity has somewhat been questioned, and I'm just here to vouch.

My .02.

- M1A
 
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He didn't have to give login access to the account, just accept payments from the website via paypal email and forward payments to another account or withdraw cash. I could see how whateverthefuckhisrealnameis would make up a story that his account was frozen or something to that effect and weasel a request like that out of him. After all he is a con-artist. Personally though I would have told that clown to forget it and just open a new account or find someone else to do his bidding because of potential tax RAMifications.

This is correct, Dave never had access to my paypal account. His email address was linked to my account so he could not access funds or anything like that. That would in fact be utterly stupid of me if that were the case. Basically if he received a paypal payment it would go into my account and alert him through email that payment had come through. Luckily there were no large payments for Cockpits or anything of that nature. After looking through some of the transactions there were a couple yokes and other parts. A lot of the funds were transfered to sealbeachguy and I believe other transfers were for those making the yoke overlays and possibly other artwork. Any personal info that I get will go to the right person. Any past info through paypal I will be more than happy to release to Steph because he seems to be the one most heavily involved. Its obvious this is not going to solve anything over night but it is going in the right direction. I really enjoy the hobby and always will. I appreciate the kind things that everyone has said. You guys are all very cool to sit around and BS with. Hopefully there are more gatherings in the area and I would be happy to host a night as well in the near future probably after SC3.
 
Witch Hunt Over...

It seems like Kalan has more than explained who he is and what his association to the parties in question are at this point.

I really hope this thread will be deleted soon. Please do not just lock this thread and leave it online for other members to possibly misinterpret later.
I have buying and selling emails from Kalan from as far back as 2001. In all those years I have never heard of anyone having a bad transaction of any kind with him.

This thread has served it's purpose please consider removing it.


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It seems like Kalan has more than explained who he is and what his association to the parties in questions are at this point.

I really hope this thread will be deleted soon. Please do not just lock this thread and leave it online for other members to possibly misinterpret later.
I have buying and selling emails from Kalan from as far back as 2001. In all those years I have never heard of anyone having a bad transaction of any kind with him.

This thread has served it's purpose please consider removing it.


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I don't think this thread should be deleted just yet. Just because Kalan says he has done nothing wrong doesn't get him off the hook just yet. And just because you had good dealings with him doesn't assure us that he is innocent in this matter. Didn't Ram have some happy cutomers? I'm not saying Kalan is guilty,but I think it's fair to let this thing play out before we just give him a free pass.
Glennon
 
I think your off base glennon.. he's not getting a free pass, he's getting explanation accepted. He was suckered just like the people who lost money. Trusted Dave like alot of us did and got the short end. He didn't know me from anyone and sent back my parts Dave sold him without question. To me that is total honesty, and I'd hold what m1a has said in high regard as well.
 
I don't think this thread should be deleted just yet. Just because Kalan says he has done nothing wrong doesn't get him off the hook just yet. And just because you had good dealings with him doesn't assure us that he is innocent in this matter. Didn't Ram have some happy cutomers? I'm not saying Kalan is guilty,but I think it's fair to let this thing play out before we just give him a free pass.
Glennon
The only thing is unlike the other players in this scheme, Kalan has been forthcoming with any information he has, hasn't lied about his connections to Ram (or really anything else with this situation), and has several upstanding members of this community who are vouching for him, who I'm sure would not risk their own reputations for someone unless they were 100% sure he was on the up and up. Everything points to a good person who got involved in a bad situation, and even that involvement was limited.

In the whole Ram Controls debacle, this path seems to be a dead end. I'd say it's more important to focus on the active players in this scam, rather than be distracted by this side path.
 
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I think your off base glennon.. he's not getting a free pass, he's getting explanation accepted. He was suckered just like the people who lost money. Trusted Dave like alot of us did and got the short end. He didn't know me from anyone and sent back my parts Dave sold him without question. To me that is total honesty, and I'd hold what m1a has said in high regard as well.

I agree.

Dave/Adam/Whatever tried to get me to do the same thing for him. It was fishy and I refused... Having said that, he was very convincing as I believed his stories...
 
The only thing is unlike the other players in this scheme, Kalan has been forthcoming with any information he has, hasn't lied about his connections to Ram (or really anything else with this situation), and has several upstanding members of this community who are vouching for him, who I'm sure would not risk their own reputations for someone unless they were 100% sure he was on the up and up. Everything points to a good person who got involved in a bad situation, and even that involvement was limited.

In the whole Ram Controls debacle, this path seems to be a dead end. I'd say it's more important to focus on the active players in this scam, rather than be distracted by this side path.
Kalan may be a great guy. All I'm saying is let it play out a little bit before he is let off the hook. Remember for a long time Dave was good at convincing people he was honest even had people sticking up for him ,heck that one guy offered to pay people back.Not to mention Dave was giving stuff away free. And all along there were people here like Friz saying he was a crook,but nobody would listen until it was to late.From what I've read Kalan took payments for Ram and recently has sold Ram parts. Sounds suspious to me. Sealbeachguy took payments for Ram and no one is letting him off the hook.
Glennon
 
I don't think this thread should be deleted just yet. Just because Kalan says he has done nothing wrong doesn't get him off the hook just yet. And just because you had good dealings with him doesn't assure us that he is innocent in this matter. Didn't Ram have some happy cutomers? I'm not saying Kalan is guilty,but I think it's fair to let this thing play out before we just give him a free pass.
Glennon

To make this perfectly clear. I did help RAM Controls accept payment, I did NOT know that he was taking peoples money and not delivering merchandise. When I was defensive on the prior threads I did not have any idea and I definitely said the wrong things in the heat of the moment. I have always been about trying to help people not to steal or harm anyone. I am not trying to get off of any hook by any means regardless of people backing me or not I was still involved. In the fact that Dave scammed people out of money and I and whoever else helped him is definitely WRONG. I completely understand this, how could I not? Again as I have to keep stating i'm not hiding behind my computer. I still collect, work on my games, hang out and talk to the same people I always have when I have time away from my job, other friends outside the hobby and my family. Family is always first and then everything else. In fact I was just at Toms last Sat. for a very short time because I was going to dinner with my wife for our anniversary (sorry if its too much information) but either way if anyone that has anything they want to discuss with me in person or by phone please feel free to PM me.
 
Here's the problem you're facing. You may be the greatest guy in the world, but you associated yourself with a piece of crap who lies every time he opens his mouth and would (and probably has) steal from his own mother. FF to today. You say you meant no harm, but how do we know it's not just another Dave scam? Think back on your history with him. There was a time when you vouched for Dave because you thought he was a good guy getting a bad rap. Besides the players, how is this any different?

FWIW, my gut says you are a decent guy, but my brain says this thread should stay for future customers to weigh and make their own decisions.

Note: I'm not judging you, just commenting on the reality situation.
 
Note: I'm not judging you, just commenting on the reality situation.
I think the reality of the situation is that Kalan may have made a choice that got him into trouble, but all indications point to him being a trustworthy guy with many who know him personally defending him. You are simply throwing gas on an unnecessary fire.
 
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My attempt was not to fan the flames, but to address Kalan about the situation from an outside perspective. As for unneccessary, I disagree. Did well known people not vouch for Dave? People who had met him and found him to be a great guy? Obviously, the answer is yes. And has Kalan repaid the people who sent *him* money, but got no product? Based on his posts, no.

Bottom line, only time will tell about Kalan. But IMHO, his history should be expunged from KLOV.
 
i don't think there's any proof that dave didn't ship what kalan was paid for, was there? he didn't take SW game payments.
 
i don't think there's any proof that dave didn't ship what kalan was paid for, was there?

I don't have any hard evidence. But it's quite likely, and from his posts I believe Kalan has that suspicion as well. For example;

I did help RAM Controls accept payment, I did NOT know that he was taking peoples money and not delivering merchandise.... In the fact that Dave scammed people out of money and I and whoever else helped him is definitely WRONG.

And how is this (below) any different from what we started cruicifying Dan/Jim for initially?

as for selling the parts that I have, RAM parts are what I received as "Payment" for money that was owed to me.

Think about what was just said. Kalan took money from people and forwarded it to Dave. Dave gave Kalan parts and a cut in return. Some people lost parts, some money, some both. But because we can't map out who's money went where, Kalan gets a pass? If that's the logic then Jim is *golden* because he never took payments.
 
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I don't have any hard evidence. But it's quite likely, and from his posts I believe Kalan has that suspicion as well. For example;



And how is this (below) any different from what we started cruicifying Dan/Jim for initially?



Think about what was just said. Kalan took money from people and forwarded it to Dave. Dave gave Kalan parts and a cut in return. Some people lost parts, some money, some both. But because we can't map out who's money went where, Kalan gets a pass? If that's the logic then Jim is *golden* because he never took payments.

There were 2 people that I know of that did not received product one was EVB and the other is a close friend that I have known for more than 10 years (thats about 6 years before I knew Dave) and I took care of both of them. I went through the spreadsheet as seen in past threads http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=172867&highlight=list+ram
months ago of names, parts and $$$ who did not receive parts and compared it to what I received and only found EVB my friend came directly to me and did not post it. The list also only shows 6 people that paid by paypal. Why you want to keep stirring things up is beyond me. The fact that you stated I received a cut, you have obviously not been reading everything. I bought stuff off of Dave that I had to return to DPtwiz, that is what I was repaid for in parts. I never got any payment for helping Dave on Paypal but was able to sample some of the stuff that he produced. Please get your facts straight and quit trying to make your own twists on the story. I am not attacking you, I have no reason. Why everyone is on your case is also beyond me but I have taken a lot of heat from this and it gets old when people start trying to put new twists on something that I have already explained and apologized for. I am for now remaining quiet on all of this, to any of you reading this including the MODS please PM me if you have any issues or questions and i'll be happy to answer them by mail or phone. If you're local to me like a lot of KLOV'ers are please stop by, play my games and have a beer with me.

Thanks
 
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There were 2 people that I know of that did not received product one was EVB and the other is a close friend that I have known for more than 10 years (thats about 6 years before I knew Dave) and I took care of both of them. I went through the spreadsheet https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?...thkey=CPDFuqsL months ago of names, parts and $$$ who did not receive parts and compared it to what I received and only found EVB my friend came directly to me and did not post it. Why you want to keep stirring things up is beyond me. The fact that you stated I received a cut, you have obviously not been reading everything. I bought stuff off of Dave that I had to return to DPtwiz, that is what I was repaid for in parts. I never got any payment for helping Dave on Paypal but was able to sample some of the stuff that he produced. Please get your facts straight and quit trying to make your own twists on the story. I am not attacking you, I have no reason. Why everyone is on your case is also beyond me but I have taken a lot of heat from this and it gets old when people start trying to put new twists on something that I have already explained and apologized for. I am for now remaining quiet on all of this, to any of you reading this including the MODS please PM me if you have any issues or questions and i'll be happy to answer them by mail or phone. If you're local to me like a lot of KLOV'ers are please stop by, play my games and have a beer with me.

Thanks

Hes stated this a few times I do not know what else anyone wants from him? Has ANYONE steped up and said they sent money to kalens paypal and didnt get their part? If not lets leave Kalen alone at least for now. Hes not going anywhere and it seems like there are more important people to go after.
 
Just sold him a bunch of parts. Paid promptly and communicated awesome. Was easy to work with since I shipped stuff at different times. Just saw this thread so posting my quick story
 
I think to say he "made some bad decisions" is still a little extreme.

He had a friend who needed a favor, did the favor and it came back to bite him in the a$$.

I know none of the local klovers I know have an arcade business, but if they asked me to get payment for something I would do it.

pldoolittle is apparently wired in a way, where he is hoping for the opportunity to say "I told you so"

did it with the ram parts. (again only his selfish wants/needs are serviced by buying from them)

now he's hoping Kalan does turn up in the end to have a connection so he can be the only one "who saw through it all"

Clear as a window and not very smart
 
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