Ghostnuke
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You'd be totally proud of me dude. I was on another forum and a dude posted about maming a perfectly good Pole Position. I ripped his ass, and now he's thinking about saving it.
Is this morally correct?
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You'd be totally proud of me dude. I was on another forum and a dude posted about maming a perfectly good Pole Position. I ripped his ass, and now he's thinking about saving it.
ArcRevival
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SuperSprint
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Sorry, I didn't. My filter batteries must be running low...
I would say that comes down to buyer and seller intent. If the seller never intended the tokens to be sold outright (as opposed to being used a "ticket) and you knew you never intended to return them, yes. Like blockbuster, they are within their rights to rent and not sell, and assess penalties for customers who fail to return the rented item. Of course with all "who intended" what, no contracts, etc it would be an impossible case to prove and thus moot. That, and I'll sell tokens (and no gameplay) all damn day long for $0.25/ea, and I'll bet most operators will too.
This is a huge grey area as tokens are a tangible representation of an agreement between the operator and the customer, and in this case the terms of the agreement are not clear. Did you buy tokens with the purchase, or were they "invalid" tokens merely left behind. Only the operator can say for sure, and no court would hold a defendant liable for a nebulous "verbal" agreement. I'd agree that legally you would get a pass the first time, but if the operator said no, there would not be presumption of innocence on each recurring time. Kind of like trespassing in a public place. The first time you are simply asked to leave, no charges filed. The second time you are assumed to have been placed on notice, and will likely face charges.
Fun discussions!
Is this a feeble attempt at character assassination due to association? Really? Just about everyone here knows that I am as honest as the day is long... even you Dave... that is some serious Bush League bullshit right there.
I don't even want to know who it is because frankly, I couldn't care less... considering the source.
You've "insinuated" things about me in the past Dave... (the "bad for the hobby" posts) but never have come right out and said anything. If you have a problem with me... stop pussy footing about it... come out with it.
Oh wait... that would require some hair on your ass. Nevermind... you'd rather go after the "girl" (EDIT: No offense GameGirl).
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ArcRevival
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If there is anyone on this forum that does not "pussyfoot around" it's me. I say pretty much what is on my mind. I don't insinuate anything. I tell it like it is. You are trashing CA ( and I have too plenty of times) and i was pointing out that we for some reason have just as many if not more bad apples here as they do in CA ( in the arcade community). If you don't care who then so be it. I stated a fact. Nothing more and nothing less. And I will add, I am not out money, but was certainly jerked around, and some serious red flags came up. It was enough for me to not want to deal anymore.
As for your "considering the source " statement, all I can say to that is El oh El.
roothorick
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It's definitely theft-of-service, but I can tell you, from first-hand experience from the operator side of people doing EXACTLY this to us... you won't get caught. We don't find out it even happened until we empty our token buckets and find foreign tokens in them.
roothorick
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It's most definitely a legal grey area. In practice, it'd never be a problem (see my post above), but in theory, you'd have to ask a lawyer, and even then, I highly doubt he'd be able to give you a definitive answer. It'd have to be brought before a court, which, again, isn't going to happen.
IMO, they're real, legal tokens, and you came into possession of them via legitimate means, therefore, they're fair game. Kind of like people using CEC tokens in your own games and you taking those tokens back to CEC to play.
-E- Damnit, there WAS a post after my first one! Who deleted it? Screw it, I'm not merging my posts.
savit4l8r
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So you're asking if stealing is okay? Really?
thebman80
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Well what about tokens people buy and then don't spend in the arcade. Like you buy a whole bunch of tokens and you play games and go home. Then when you get home you notice you forgot to use 2 tokens. So lets say you never go back to the arcade it was in another state or something. So you went to the arcade paid for tokens but also stole some. The tokens already paid for some games but the establishment also lost those tokens forever which also cost money to replace. So you could argue that your giving back stolen tokens and lost revenue that could be made form those tokens plus they where paid for in the past so they should be redeemed for game time. If the place is packed and a token machine goes empty before they could refill it they loose revenue as well but it wouldn't have gone empty if they didn't have people walk out with 1000 tokens. So replacing them could help but this is all best case scenario hypothetical.
SuperSprint
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Did you read any of the thread before your wrote this??
Teknotoyz
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Use them, CEC currency, shouldn't have left them in the machines. Not to mention CEC has an investment in those tokens I am sure they would want back.
If you found a machine full of quarters, should you spend them?
Hey another question, this happened to a friend. You buy a game for $75 and find $32 in paper money in the coin box. Is it morally OK to keep?
CEC_DFW
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Man thats a lot of what it's...
My personal opinion, if it's a cec token feel free to bring it back to cec. Unless it looks like total poop. We have to pay to buy more replacement tokens.
Otherwise, DING!.... Theft of service.
My personal opinion, if it's a cec token feel free to bring it back to cec. Unless it looks like total poop. We have to pay to buy more replacement tokens.
Otherwise, DING!.... Theft of service.
SuperSprint
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Try those tokens you found at Kroger, then come back and let's talk about the differences between tokens and quarters...
There are several other threads that have already discussed this very issue ad nauseum....
EDIT: On the up side, this thread has been a great reference on who to buy/sell with and who to avoid....
savit4l8r
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bingo !
RetroHacker
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Personally, I don't have any problem taking tokens back from whence they came and using them. I mean, if you find some Namco or CEC tokens in a game, or elsewhere, I think it's of little consequence that they were found in the bottom of a game somewhere.
If you buy $20 worth of tokens at one Namco arcade, don't use them all, then a few months later use the rest at another Namco arcade, in some other town, is that still OK? You know you paid for the tokens. But does Namco? No. Namco knows that you used valid Namco tokens - it shouldn't matter if you bought them now, last week, last month, or ten years ago. They're still valid. There is no expiration date on a token. If you find a Namco token in the bottom of a game, in the coin box of a game you bought, jammed between the glass and the control panel of a game you bought, or out on the street - it's still a Namco arcade token.
But buying generic tokens of the same diameter and using them is just cheating, and to me it's like using a slug. They didn't originate from that establishment/chain, so they don't belong there. But, even then, it's one of those things where if you find two or three and use them, the arcade operator isn't going to chase you down and beat you to death with a pool cue. How many times have you bought tokens at an arcade, and gotten mostly tokens with the arcade's name on it, and a couple oddballs with some other name? Is it OK to use those, or should you throw them out?
Besides, be honest, how many of you hooligans tried to defraud the machines back in the day? Tying strings to quarters, kicking the coin door, pounding nickels with a hammer until they were the size of a Time-Out token, lying to the attendant that the machine "ate my money", etc, etc. I'd like to think that we're all better than that now. Buying bulk tokens for the sole purpose of defrauding an arcade isn't cool.
-Ian
If you buy $20 worth of tokens at one Namco arcade, don't use them all, then a few months later use the rest at another Namco arcade, in some other town, is that still OK? You know you paid for the tokens. But does Namco? No. Namco knows that you used valid Namco tokens - it shouldn't matter if you bought them now, last week, last month, or ten years ago. They're still valid. There is no expiration date on a token. If you find a Namco token in the bottom of a game, in the coin box of a game you bought, jammed between the glass and the control panel of a game you bought, or out on the street - it's still a Namco arcade token.
But buying generic tokens of the same diameter and using them is just cheating, and to me it's like using a slug. They didn't originate from that establishment/chain, so they don't belong there. But, even then, it's one of those things where if you find two or three and use them, the arcade operator isn't going to chase you down and beat you to death with a pool cue. How many times have you bought tokens at an arcade, and gotten mostly tokens with the arcade's name on it, and a couple oddballs with some other name? Is it OK to use those, or should you throw them out?
Besides, be honest, how many of you hooligans tried to defraud the machines back in the day? Tying strings to quarters, kicking the coin door, pounding nickels with a hammer until they were the size of a Time-Out token, lying to the attendant that the machine "ate my money", etc, etc. I'd like to think that we're all better than that now. Buying bulk tokens for the sole purpose of defrauding an arcade isn't cool.
-Ian
AUSyTyIN
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I've never done any of those, or even seen someone try them. I lol'ed at the nickel one though. Did that actually work? Seems like a lot of effort...
