Is this JAMMA Wire Harness Cheap?

[jay]

Don't get me wrong what Bob Roberts does for this community it beyond amazing, but for anyone to argue that his website/ system of ordering is user friendly or less of a hassle than other sites is a joke . His website is hard to navigate (comparitively) unless you have it memorized (items are scattered in different sections). The shipping/payment system in antiquated (even for 10 years ago). In summary, is Bob Roberts a benefit to this community...Yes. Could he update his site and paying system....another Yes.

PS: This was just an oberservation, not a judgement, so no one else has to quote me and look for some "glass half full" statement to say.

Your right........when you have no idea what your doing. Same goes for the original post. Asking if some half assed harness will work for a 60-1 on this forum is another novice move. You need to learn the ways of the this forum and what people have already figured out.

You learn to take advice and read a lot from the experts that have spent many hours researching, experimenting, and finding the best way to get a game working. The games I have acquired work. Because of BR and the people on here who have been doing this much longer than I.

When I'm wrong I will admit it. I'm not wrong, Bob has his site that way for a reason and it works for the majority. It didn't work for me in the beginning, but I LEARNED. His site and ordering is something you should be thankful for while you still have the privilege of using him.

Also, if your not sure how to find a part on his site, just ask him. He will point you in the direction and give a full explanation on why it is that way. The guy is more than willing to help and share.

 

[ArcadeGreg]

Your right........when you have no idea what your doing. Same goes for the original post. Asking if some half assed harness will work for a 60-1 on this forum is another novice move. You need to learn the ways of the this forum and what people have already figured out.

You learn to take advice and read a lot from the experts that have spent many hours researching, experimenting, and finding the best way to get a game working. That is why I spend most of my time in other forums talking about other things. The games I have acquired work. Because of BR and the people on here who have been doing this much longer than I.

When I'm wrong I will admit it. I'm not wrong, Bob has his site that way for a reason and it works for the majority. It didn't work for me in the beginning, but I LEARNED. His site and ordering is something you should be thankful for while you still have the privilege of using him.

Also, if your not sure how to find a part on his site, just ask him. He will point you in the direction and give a full explanation on why it is that way. The guy is more than willing to help and share.

I just started collecting, fixing, restoring, etc 4 months ago, and so far 99.9% of the people have been outrageously nice and genuine. However, there are a small number of people who are "glass half full" minded. No matter what you say, no matter how innocent the intent, no matter how nice the post, they will somehow, someway, twist words, and take a subject somewhere different than where it originally began (run-on sentence much). It is obvious, I am not one of these people. I love this stuff. Through and through.

Also, I am a huge "newbie" and have no problem with that. I ask questions, because for me there is no dumb question. I have no experience to rely on at all. Moreover, I am sorry for not knowing all of the nuances of these forums. I have not trolled this entire site and read every single post, so I don't know what has been previously discussed, or what is widely know by the senior members of this site. I take all the advice I get from them; in fact, I just recently learned not to buy the harness I posted

My observation about BR is that it could not hurt the buyers of his site to accept other forms of payment, real time buying, and other modern ammenties of online shopping to make his site more user friendly. I do not get the arguement that his site is fine and needs no change. Maybe I'll learn one day...and then become jaded by newbie questions and post "glass half full" replys too. One day.

 

[jay]

OK well, have fun. I highly doubt Bob is going to change his site. Your loss and more stock for us. Thanks!

Funny, I've never had someone twist my words on here. When I ask for help I get it. Maybe it's the way you ask questions? Just a thought.

Did you ever get an answer to your youtube link? Just wondering...

 

[R3LL1K]

The ParadiseShop harness will do what you need it to. I personally prefer pin harnesses because you can add and remove pins. BR is great for a lot of parts and I have bought and placed a bunch of orders with him, that being said, I don't buy everything from him. I prefer to buy my K7000 HOT's in small quantities from ebay. They're cheaper this way. Ordering from BR isn't hard or difficult at all and is actually faster and more reliable than ebay and most other sites. That being said, don't be scared or hesitate to ask local KLOV members for help. *Cough I have Jamma harnesses and cabs out the wazoo *cough.

 

[ArcadeGreg]

OK well, have fun. I highly doubt Bob is going to change his site. Your loss and more stock for us. Thanks!

Funny, I've never had someone twist my words on here. When I ask for help I get it. Maybe it's the way you ask questions? Just a thought.

Did you ever get an answer to your youtube link? Just wondering...

I doubt he will either. I have read his reasons and it seems like he is set in his ways.

What was wrong with my original question? How could I refine it to better fit these forums?

Also, there are a few question videos on my youtube page, and I am thankful to say that the great members of this site have answered them all.

 

[ArcadeGreg]

The ParadiseShop harness will do what you need it to. I personally prefer pin harnesses because you can add and remove pins. BR is great for a lot of parts and I have bought and placed a bunch of orders with him, that being said, I don't buy everything from him. I prefer to buy my K7000 HOT's in small quantities from ebay. They're cheaper this way. Ordering from BR isn't hard or difficult at all and is actually faster and more reliable than ebay and most other sites. That being said, don't be scared or hesitate to ask local KLOV members for help. *Cough I have Jamma harnesses and cabs out the wazoo *cough.

R3LL1K,
Thanks for the adivce. I am headed down to the Galveston area tomorrow to pick up an empty Atari cabinet. I am not sure what it will have in it (I know it doesn't have a cpo, so if you have an extra atari cpo). I will definitely message you before shopping around next time.
Thanks for the heads up buddy,
Greg

 

[AlexZander]

JAMMA Harness

Thanks again Ken. I will search epay for one that meets those specs. Although I have whole rolls of 18 gauge threaded wire, so I wonder if I should just buy a bare harness and the appropriate connectors...

Ordered a JAMMA harness from Bob and was very happy with the harness, good quality wire, split molex pins and edge connector labeled. Also tried an inexpensive JAMMA harness from jammaboards.com and was very displeased with that harness, lesser quality wire and parts. And did not like the solder eyelets. And as Ken Layton mentioned, only one +5 wire going to 4 pins on the connector is not good.

I have not had any problems ordering from Bob Roberts. No problems navigating parts site index. Took a bit of getting used to the parts page, but with using the 'Ctrl-f' keyboard shortcut and site index, I can find parts fairly easy. 'Sure, I would be happy if he accepted Paypal, but I understand the reasons he does not. I appreciate that Bob fills and ships my order before I even pay for it. I have received parts orders faster from Bob, using regular shipping, than any other place that I have bought parts. And for larger orders that I have placed with Bob, he puts in a nice item or Lagniappe as he calls it. Items that I actually use, nice touch from a supposed-to-be-retired man.

The last time I needed a JAMMA harness or a harness for a 1942 game I was putting into a cabinet, I bought all parts from Bob and assembled the harnesses. It was a great learning experience putting the harnesses together. His "JAMMA Harness Hookup tutorial, I Want To Build A Game, AC Wiring Help and DC Wiring Help", was very beneficial on helping me learn to do up my arcade games, as is this site.

And I appreciate the help bulletin board that Bob Roberts has on his site. Have learned quite a bit about coin-op gaming goodness from his bulletin board.

Thanks OldTymeToys and Yellow Dog for the links to all the great parts resources sites!

 

[Teknotoyz]

I am building a 60-in-1 cab, and I am looking for a JAMMA wire harness. Will this harness retro fit to most cabinets? Has anyone bought this one? Is this one a cheap brand/model?Some suggestions please.
Thank you,
Arcade Greg

http://cgi.ebay.com/Jamma-DELUXE-Ar...981?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e601e764d

Actually looks like a very nice deal. For a 60-in1 you hardly need a "fully stuffed" Jamma. The power wires are single on this, but look to be a bigger gauge and will most definitely handle the requirements of such a small board. I personally don't like a bunch of extra unused wires in a cabinet anyway.

Now check your wire length requirements too! If you like a neatly wired cabinet, you will need a little extra wire to do so.

Now the part I would miss is it doesn't have connectors inline on the controls and coin door and so on. They could be added, but will pull your cost up to a better harness anyway. This of course is just my likes in a machine. Needed if you intend to be able to remove the CP and so on.

Alternate harnesses run $25-$40 shipped, so it just depends on wether $10-$25 extra dollars are in the budget. But this harness would likely work just fine for you!

 

[keithsarcade]

1) Get married.
2) Tell the wife, "Please write a check for $xx.xx and mail it to this address."
3) Continue with your life...

My wife has BR's address memorized, I dont think I even remember what it is.

 

[cleverlyj]

The funny thing is (I think) everyone knows deep down that I am right, but some are too scared to admit it.

i politely disagree. bob is the best to order from. the check thing is annoying sometimes, i admit, but his customer service is the best. i ordered a big box from him on the 20th late at night, got an email tuesday morning saying cross shipped, and got it thursday morning with the mail. keep in mind this is during christmas week. and then he let me know he got my payment. and he was awesome enough to send me PCB feet as lagniappe, which rocked cause i needed two extras.

seriously, bob is worth it. when i first started out, i was on the i don't want to order from him due to sending checks bandwagon, but he is way faster than ordering from arcadeshop or just about anyone else that you couldn't drive to and pick up stuff from locally, not to mention he has great prices.

 

[ArcadeGreg]

I think I understand BRs has the most efficient and effective website, payment system, and so fourth and so on. There is absolutely no update he could make to his site or system that would benefit anyone. His way of doing things has reach its pinnacle. His system is the best around. In fact, it is probably a better design than god himself could produce. I am starting to think he is God. I have learned my lesson. I will never make another stupid observation about God again. End of line.

 

[cleverlyj]

I think I understand BRs has the most efficient and effective website, payment system, and so fourth and so on. There is absolutely no update he could make to his site or system that would benefit anyone. His way of doing things has reach its pinnacle. His system is the best around. In fact, it is probably a better design than god himself could produce. I am starting to think he is God. I have learned my lesson. I will never make another stupid observation about God again. End of line.

i'm not trying to get you to change your decision or anything by any means. i'm just saying, aside from the payment setup, you really couldn't run a business better than he does.

 

[OldTymeToys]

Oh, one more thing I think we all overlooked in this thread about Bob- CROSS SHIPPING. NO ONE else will trust you to pay them after they already sent your parts. No one.

 

[ArcadeGreg]

i'm not trying to get you to change your decision or anything by any means. i'm just saying, aside from the payment setup, you really couldn't run a business better than he does.

Sorry cleverly, I was just being a smart ass (not directed at you). I totally get it. Bob is a great guy, help to this community, source of information, provider of rare parts, etc. However, not one person has made a compelling argument as to why his system (as it is now) could not benefit from the suggestions I made. Honestly, how could it hurt us as buyers to have him accept other forms of payment or to adopt real time buying? Like I said he is amazing and a huge part of this society, but not one person has said why change would be so bad. Everyone keeps saying the same thing, but no real substance to their answers. If there was some real reasons I could understand, but everyone just gives their opinions with no facts. Someone please convert me

PS: I am not saying he should change any of the good things he does already (ie cross shipping).

 

[cleverlyj]

i know one thing he's mentioned is cost due to going with paypal or that kind of thing, as fees would be involved so costs would go up. here's his ordering faq, and it explains a lot of that stuff.

http://therealbobroberts.net/ordering.html

 

[ArcadeGreg]

i know one thing he's mentioned is cost due to going with paypal or that kind of thing, as fees would be involved so costs would go up. here's his ordering faq, and it explains a lot of that stuff.

http://therealbobroberts.net/ordering.html

Yea, I read that a while back, but if paypal were a business buster, than they would not be in business. I think it is more of him not wanting to hassle with paypal as a form of payment. The cost of paypal per item is nominal, especially when you do as much business as him. I think he has his site the way he wants it and it works for him, so I don't think there will be any changes for a long time to come (if at all). I think the changes I suggested would be a benefit to us as buyers, but a hassle for him. I still do not get why some think changes to his current system are a bad idea...one day right.

 

[cleverlyj]

well, for me, if you look at a lot of his prices vs. his cost, at least on the jamma harnesses, he isn't exactly making money. so unless he passed the paypal fees onto us (the customer) he'd be taking an even bigger hit money wise.

 

[ArcadeGreg]

well, for me, if you look at a lot of his prices vs. his cost, at least on the jamma harnesses, he isn't exactly making money. so unless he passed the paypal fees onto us (the customer) he'd be taking an even bigger hit money wise.

His prices are almost always better than most (especially for the quality of product, which other members of this forum have pointed out is the best). However, all costs he has are already passed to the customer, so he would not be loosing money at all. He might have to charge slightly more, but there might be more business by accepting more forms of payment, which would offset his costs of accept those forms of payment. But like I said he it wouldn't come out of his pocket anyway. Also, he is an active retiree, so I think (not sure) that making huge amounts of money from this is not his first concern.

 

[DanoND]

His prices are almost always better than most (especially for the quality of product, which other members of this forum have pointed out is the best). However, all costs he has are already passed to the customer, so he would not be loosing money at all. He might have to charge slightly more, but there might be more business by accepting more forms of payment, which would offset his costs of accept those forms of payment. But like I said he it wouldn't come out of his pocket anyway. Also, he is an active retiree, so I think (not sure) that making huge amounts of money from this is not his first concern.

My armchair MBA detector is going off!

This is a sore spot for me. I started, own and run a small business. I get told regularly what needs to be improved. Great, quit your job, go start yours and show me how its done.

Oh wait...

 

[DanoND]

Yikes. You guys need to learn about Private Message.