FS Game: Initial D - The Arcade

gotta agree, everyone seems a bit cagey here

@ OP, for what it's worth, the last year or so there's been some seriously high profile scams that have happened in the arcade community and it's possible that some of what you're experiencing here is collateral from these events.

I am aware of some of the scams which have taken place in the arcade community over the years and it's one of the reasons we post photos of the inside and outside of our cabs. It's time intensive but it allows buyers to see what is actually included in the machine they are buying including PCBs, IO boards, and in some cases routers.

I considered posting some candy cabs or a Viewlix FC on here first which I would consider a more entry level cabinet than this. That may have been the right approach but in most cases candy cabs do not come with a PCB. Astro Cities which shipped with Dottori Kun are an exception but it's very rare to buy one in Japan currently that still has it.
 
What I meant by "no, they don't" is @ReWrite is under no obligation to provide this seller with information about other sellers of the games and their services to get them to work.

They aren't this seller's research organization.

I apologize for not being clearer.
 
…is under no obligation to provide this seller with information about other sellers of the games and their services to get them to work.

They aren't this seller's research …
I don't think he is right. It is not unreasonable to request that he back his claims up. I have never seen a post advertising what he describes up thread.

I would ask you and a few others upthread to spend some period of time considering the possibility that a new business can be a legitimate business and to not make assumptions otherwise.
 
My point appears to have been missed by a few people but I am probably making it poorly or possibly totally off base.

If the machine doesn't work without connection to a server and presumably the connection to said server probably requires a subscription payment to Sega then I would say that running it without that could be classified as a misuse of IP.
I think the comment that there is a "workaround" substantiates my questioning it to begin with.

If someone didn't read the entire thread and only caught my partially quoted post they would miss the info I thought was most relevant.

Sorry to ruffle feathers but I thought it was a pertinent point.
My apologies.
 
I appreciate seeing this stuff posted here. The questions about the router are fair. Questioning the price and calling it a paperweight is not. Bringing up pirated nes roms is ludacrous. Lets not run off new sellers with unwarranted attacks.

The astro citys on your site look nice. Good luck with the new venture.
Eh, I probably could've done without the comment on price, but it is indeed a paperweight unless the buyer just happens to know the right group of people who deal with gray area software. Which being KLOV and not AP or SOWS or an number of Discords, most people here do not. And it's in their best interest to have it very blatantly stated that these games cannot be played as purchased, especially when the seller seems intent on not doing so themself...

It comes off very deceptive to state that they're in working order or whatever despite the game not being playable.

If the machine doesn't work without connection to a server and presumably the connection to said server probably requires a subscription payment to Sega then I would say that running it without that could be classified as a misuse of IP.

You're not wrong, but how many JAMMA PCBs do you see on here that boot up saying "Not for use outside of Japan"? It is, for whatever reason, not really a concern for 98% of people in the arcade community.

I don't think he is right. It is not unreasonable to request that he back his claims up. I have never seen a post advertising what he describes up thread.
Use an account that isn't your importer account (because you're the competition) and reach out to either of the big importers and ask about a Bemani cab or whatever and if you can play it offline. Advertised publicly: they absolutely will not. Will they immediately tell you you can play it offline and they'll have already handled it: absolutely yes.

Put this in perspective: You are selling games.
The games don't currently work.
You are asking a princely price for the games.

We're giving eye-rolls because of the above, and your snarky responses.

You are a low message member, and not a regular in the community, contributing and helping. That makes us suspect your motives, right off the get go.
All of this. Along with doubling and tripling down on "operable" despite you not being able to operate said games in their intended manner...

but in most cases candy cabs do not come with a PCB. Astro Cities which shipped with Dottori Kun are an exception but it's very rare to buy one in Japan currently that still has it.
You're comparing apples and oranges here. JAMMA and JVS candy cabs are meant to have games swapped out, and in 95% of cases didn't come from the factory with games even. ID cabs, SDVX, IIDX, whatever all are intent on only playing the one game, ship from the factory with it installed, and in this case your one game cannot be played without more hardware and someone who's willing to help with the software.
 
ReWrite, you're going to have to provide specific examples of other sellers providing the services you mention. Based on your initial post regarding servers it seems you have no first hand experience with these machines. If you intend to keep speculating on the services other importers provide with that level of confidence, you're going to have to back that up.
Good to learn that the server was dropped after 8.

It's still questionable to not mention 100% up front that the game cannot be played as purchased.
I already stated that I got wires crossed on the server vs router. Last ID cab set I have worked with was 8 (last I owned was 4), didn't realize the server got dropped.

In *any case* it can still not be *played*.

There's no speculation necessary at all. I've bought several cabs from each of them (Ken too, Matsu too, and just about every other fly-by-night-gone-in-a-year importer, anyone remember the Matvei fiasco?) and imported cabs myself. Every one from the big two already "unofficially worked around", and they're very happy to help you update to newer versions or even unofficially workaround cabs if you've shipped them in yourself as well (probably not happy to help with the competition's though, I'd imagine).
 
FFS people. Stop trying to hold everyones hand and be a 'Net Nanny. We are all adults and can research these dudes. Some of you drive me insane. If some dope is going to drop a giant wad of dough and not know how to get it to boot, that is on them. These are pretty damn niche and average Joe is not going to be the guy opening their wallet. Give the guy a break.

Every new person here is not a crook.
 
FFS people. Stop trying to hold everyones hand and be a 'Net Nanny. We are all adults and can research these dudes. Some of you drive me insane. If some dope is going to drop a giant wad of dough and not know how to get it to boot, that is on them. These are pretty damn niche and average Joe is not going to be the guy opening their wallet. Give the guy a break.

Every new person here is not a crook.
Not everyone is as adept at sniffing out scams as others.

I appreciate the healthy skepticism and don't see it as being a nanny at all.🤷‍♂️
 
I've read this whole thread and I am intrigued about the game now.

So if I went to Japan, found one of these for decent money (really wanted to have it) and shipped it via container back to the US :

1) What do I need to have this game up and running? A server? A subscription or both?

2) Can these be purchased here in the US or do I have to go to Japan?

3) Do I have to pay to play it?

4) At that point, does it make it really worthwhile?

Thanks for the education. I did not know about these games.
 
I appreciate the healthy skepticism and don't see it as being a nanny at all.🤷‍♂️
Healthy skepticism implies that our offering has been judged with an open mind. I requested the gentleman upthread do that and he replied saying he would not and then deleted his post.

I have not made any claims that these machines currently boot to the game nor promises to provide software. Other distributors are the same, if there is one who has made a post on Klov or any other public forum claiming to provide the services @SalParadise is asking about I am not aware of it. "I know a distributor who did XYZ for my friend" is hearsay not a guarantee from a competitor.

We are not forcing anyone to buy this machine nor representing it falsely. The level of concern that there is a scam is not at all in line with the likelihood that it is. These machines have to get here somehow and having more people doing it isn't a bad thing for the community. Attempting to obstruct new-comers from entering the business is.

If someone is interested in this machine please reach out.
 
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Was just wondering if the game is playable without 1) A server or 2) a subscription and if it is, how does that work, and if it isn't how does that work. I am just interested in the process as I know nothing about modern games and I find it interesting - that's all. Just to add to my knowledge base.
 
Was just wondering if the game is playable without 1) A server or 2) a subscription and if it is, how does that work, and if it isn't how does that work. I am just interested in the process as I know nothing about modern games and I find it interesting - that's all. Just to add to my knowledge base.
As I was corrected above, post-ID8 doesn't need a server. It does need a Sega router and a subscription (that you cannot attain in the USA).

There are gray-area work-arounds via cracked software that can be run.

In some instances (not all.net, but some older Bemani stuff), it can be as simple as replacing a batch file and tossing in a tiny program that pretends to be the server without even decrypting the game (assuming you have the security key, if not you're back to cracked software). Other games can be more in-depth.

Some other things (Ringedge, TTX1/2/3) have multi-game hard drive images you can just download and plop on them.
 
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