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I've now filed a complaint with the California Department of Justice, Office of the Attorney General. I'm talked to a friend of mine that is an attorney and determining what my options are there.

What I'm owed is small peanuts compared to many others, but being owed anything is enough reason at a minimum to file a complaint.
 
I've now filed a complaint with the California Department of Justice, Office of the Attorney General. I'm talked to a friend of mine that is an attorney and determining what my options are there.

What I'm owed is small peanuts compared to many others, but being owed anything is enough reason at a minimum to file a complaint.


I'm owed ALOT ... (enough to charge him with grand theft... )

... and would be very keen to see us all unite in a common cause to
get all our money back.

Complaining on KLOV will do nothing.
We need to take the matter to next level ; pressing charges and starting litigation.

I'm sure that with all people Dave has fleeced,
that we have lawyers, police officers, and a multitude
of skills and contacts needed to pin this guy down.

If we can find a lawyer willing to help our cause,
we could put the squeeze on Dave, and more importantly his money...


I considered leading the charge in this campaign,
but I've got 3 kids, a full-time job, 3-4hr of Hobbyroms every night,
so my time is scarce.
(... oh, and did I mention I'm in Canada... ;-)

But my resolve is great, and either I get my money back,
... or slug it out until he goes to jail...

Who's with me !?

Steph
 
I think you need to separate it out between the money that went to Kalan and the money that went to Dave. Someone should clarify that with an attorney before you waste your time going after the wrong guy.
 
I think you need to separate it out between the money that went to Kalan and the money that went to Dave. Someone should clarify that with an attorney before you waste your time going after the wrong guy.

I know exactly where my money went, ...and it's all Dave.
I have a bank paper trail a mile long to prove it...

I have no beef with Kalan but I won't hesitate for a second
to use whatever means necessary to get to Dave.

I know Kalan is protecting him because he flat out lied to me
about not knowing where Dave lives
(...after he said he saw alot of stuff in Dave's garage),
and I'm sure he's a got a "real" phone number to reach Dave directly.

..but that's another battle for later...


Steph
 
I think you need to separate it out between the money that went to Kalan and the money that went to Dave. Someone should clarify that with an attorney before you waste your time going after the wrong guy.

But the orders were placed through Dave's business. So Dave would be involved in all cases. You would think they would be considered partners. The same with sealbeachguy.
 
... and would be very keen to see us all unite in a common cause to
get all our money back.
Steph

That sucks.. I think everyone should perhaps start another thread on litigation and keep it on track and share any info offline and co-ordinate with perhaps someone nominated to lead the effort. The fact the guy has not logged on in a month or returned anyones calls speaks volumes of what is going to happen.. which in my experience (not with Dave personally.. in general when I have been ripped off) will be absolutely nothing hoping it will fade away. So you might as well take it into your own hands and start moving forward before everything is liqudated and you don't have a chance at getting anything back.

He's taken far too much from people in money and trust, and turned far too many people against eachother over the years in something that is supposed to be an enjoyable pastime. I for one would like to see this blight on the hobby disappear once and for all.
 
I know exactly where my money went, ...and it's all Dave.
I have a bank paper trail a mile long to prove it...

I have no beef with Kalan but I won't hesitate for a second
to use whatever means necessary to get to Dave.

I know Kalan is protecting him because he flat out lied to me
about not knowing where Dave lives
(...after he said he saw alot of stuff in Dave's garage),
and I'm sure he's a got a "real" phone number to reach Dave directly.

..but that's another battle for later...


Steph

If you need Kalan's number so the people can find Dave, let me know. I hope Kalan changes his course I dont think he is a bad guy, just think he got into a bad situation. Bottom line is he can lead them to Dave. I wont post information in the forum.
 
Sounds like I'm relatively "lucky". I'm only out the $100 that I paid Dave to pre-order 5 Battlezone centering grommets back in October of 2009.

Despite my better judgement, I did place a small order during his 2010 Thanksgiving sale. Miraculously, I received those parts about 3 weeks later.

Alan
 
I'm owed ALOT ... (enough to charge him with grand theft... )

... and would be very keen to see us all unite in a common cause to
get all our money back.

Complaining on KLOV will do nothing.
We need to take the matter to next level ; pressing charges and starting litigation.

I'm sure that with all people Dave has fleeced,
that we have lawyers, police officers, and a multitude
of skills and contacts needed to pin this guy down.

If we can find a lawyer willing to help our cause,
we could put the squeeze on Dave, and more importantly his money...


I considered leading the charge in this campaign,
but I've got 3 kids, a full-time job, 3-4hr of Hobbyroms every night,
so my time is scarce.
(... oh, and did I mention I'm in Canada... ;-)

But my resolve is great, and either I get my money back,
... or slug it out until he goes to jail...

Who's with me !?

Steph


As i said before Steph let me no if i can help in anyway,and when it come to a lawyer,i am sure that there will be a few who will put there hand in their pocket to fund this as i no i will.

Lets get the ball rolling and start pressing charges and starting litigation on David and his Business.

Where do i sign up
 
If we can find a lawyer willing to help our cause,
we could put the squeeze on Dave, and more importantly his money...
I'm also owed lots of product or a refund. Of course I've filed criminal complaints with the places discussed earlier, but I also have a few friends that are lawyers... one of which I contacted, and talked to over lunch on Tuesday.

I talked to him specifically because last year he sold some items on ebay to a guy in OH, who said he was unhappy with the condition of the items, so he sent him pictures back, and they were exactly like pictured in the description... so my friend basically told him too bad (apparently the guy overpaid for the auction and wanted a partial refund). Once the guy figured out that wouldn't work, he filed a claim with paypal saying it never arrived. Since he didn't ship with Delivery Confirmation, of course Paypal refunded him... even though he had proof that the guy received it (from emails and pictures).

So... to the fun part of the story... since my friend is a lawyer, he sued him for the amount wrongly refunded by Paypal, and he did this in VA (where he lives). Apparently, many states will allow you to sue someone in your own state's court... since you were in the state when you made the transaction, therefore, the business was done in your state. So, of course he won his case, and didn't have to travel anywhere... and caused the scammer to have to travel to defend himself. I don't know, but I assume this would be difficult to do in a different country.

Anyway... we're going to discuss this again next week, and while of course I want my product/refund, I also said that there's a large list of people also being ripped off. He said there's the possibility to do class action, but of course that's more complex and would require a lot of collaboration to get all of our cases consolidated into one. It may be worth it though... or maybe it'd be better to sue him all over the country one by one.

DogP
 
I'm also owed lots of product or a refund. Of course I've filed criminal complaints with the places discussed earlier, but I also have a few friends that are lawyers... one of which I contacted, and talked to over lunch on Tuesday.

I talked to him specifically because last year he sold some items on ebay to a guy in OH, who said he was unhappy with the condition of the items, so he sent him pictures back, and they were exactly like pictured in the description... so my friend basically told him too bad (apparently the guy overpaid for the auction and wanted a partial refund). Once the guy figured out that wouldn't work, he filed a claim with paypal saying it never arrived. Since he didn't ship with Delivery Confirmation, of course Paypal refunded him... even though he had proof that the guy received it (from emails and pictures).

So... to the fun part of the story... since my friend is a lawyer, he sued him for the amount wrongly refunded by Paypal, and he did this in VA (where he lives). Apparently, many states will allow you to sue someone in your own state's court... since you were in the state when you made the transaction, therefore, the business was done in your state. So, of course he won his case, and didn't have to travel anywhere... and caused the scammer to have to travel to defend himself. I don't know, but I assume this would be difficult to do in a different country.

Anyway... we're going to discuss this again next week, and while of course I want my product/refund, I also said that there's a large list of people also being ripped off. He said there's the possibility to do class action, but of course that's more complex and would require a lot of collaboration to get all of our cases consolidated into one. It may be worth it though... or maybe it'd be better to sue him all over the country one by one.

DogP

thats a nice idea, but if dave has zero assets and a 100 people get judgements against him in 50 states, you still get zero..

The only real power you have against dave is the threat of taking away his freedom. When faced with jail or comming up with the goods or money, thats when dave will have to make a real choice.

Your only real hope for getting money back is if dave, his family or his partners have assets. Then if he did not setup a corporation or a LLC, you have a chance to get something.
 
I know that. Just wondering if the 2nd personality was still responding.

Powermeup, you have/had a relationship with Dave (not RAM-Controls specific). Have you been getting any communication from Dave?

not lately, i will give him a call today and see whats up. it has always been cash and carry since he is local. one dael was shady although dave '' corrected it '' and delivered it to my door.
 
I'm pretty sure that powermeup bought the williams boardset lot the Dave also "sold" me.... And according to Dave it was (coincidently) lost in the mail.... hmmmmmm what's up with that Dave?

that sucks because i did buy alot of williams boards a year or so ago.never knew about this. who bought the shitload of jamma harness that i also have. the lot i bought showed pictures of them and when dave delivered the boxes ..no harnesses.. he quickly found them and made it right.helps to live close i guess . rick i will sale you whatever you need lmk
 
thats a nice idea, but if dave has zero assets and a 100 people get judgements against him in 50 states, you still get zero..

The only real power you have against dave is the threat of taking away his freedom. When faced with jail or comming up with the goods or money, thats when dave will have to make a real choice.

Your only real hope for getting money back is if dave, his family or his partners have assets. Then if he did not setup a corporation or a LLC, you have a chance to get something.
Yes... of course, I'm definitely not saying to avoid the criminal aspect... the problem with that is that you're at the mercy of how much someone on that end wants to deal with it. If you're lucky, they're either bored (and not lazy), or have been screwed over themselves before, and actually want to solve a problem and not promote the scammers. With the civil side, you actually have control... though yes, you're not guaranteed to actually get anything out of it.

Regarding the LLC thing... my friend was also telling me that it's not a protection from everything. If you can prove fraud, you can go after the person directly... and he said in many cases, they're throwing out the LLC protections anyway, because it's clear that they're abusing the protections.

DogP
 
Yes... of course, I'm definitely not saying to avoid the criminal aspect... the problem with that is that you're at the mercy of how much someone on that end wants to deal with it. If you're lucky, they're either bored (and not lazy), or have been screwed over themselves before, and actually want to solve a problem and not promote the scammers. With the civil side, you actually have control... though yes, you're not guaranteed to actually get anything out of it.

Regarding the LLC thing... my friend was also telling me that it's not a protection from everything. If you can prove fraud, you can go after the person directly... and he said in many cases, they're throwing out the LLC protections anyway, because it's clear that they're abusing the protections.

DogP

LLC would protect the family and/or business partners, as it would be pretty hard to prove they had knowledge or participated in the crimes. It would not protect dave or his assets. But my assumption is he has no assets..

Even with the most liberal DA, the amount of evidence that would be against dave, even with a deal, no way he walks with out restitution.

yes, the civil side would be some closure, but in the end you would be paying a lawyer to get nothing, so more money out for bad..
 
Small claims in CA is $7500 max. This is the only logical way to deal with this. In my case it isn't much money but I can't sit here and let someone get away with this so I really don't care what it costs to resolve this in court. Meaning I don't care about the cost to file the case and serve the person that took my cash.
My suggestion to others is to take this route since it is painfully clear that the defendant will lose. Sure it is a pain in the ass but in the end it will protect others.

I suppose there is still a chance this will be rectifed before the shit hits the fan, I hope so anyway but until then all I have heard is talk and talk is cheap.

The clock is ticking and time is quickly running out.



LLC would protect the family and/or business partners, as it would be pretty hard to prove they had knowledge or participated in the crimes. It would not protect dave or his assets. But my assumption is he has no assets..

Even with the most liberal DA, the amount of evidence that would be against dave, even with a deal, no way he walks with out restitution.

yes, the civil side would be some closure, but in the end you would be paying a lawyer to get nothing, so more money out for bad..
 
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