Deadly
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This thread has no real direction. In fact I'm going to go bi polar and ask you guys do the same. I will say this once - all of this rant is my own personal opinion and not to be taken as me trying to pass off fact. If you disagree that's OK! I am always up for a good debate. I also love when someone points out something I'd never considered before.
RANT ON:
Stern being referred to as "stagnant" mentioned in another thread.
Man is that an under statement. My one true regret is that I wasn't born earlier. To see pinball in it's prime when the market was hot and pinball was moving forward and Williams and the likes were innovating new ideas. Back when Stern sucked lol. It just seems most recent Stern games are recycled innovationless ideas. Anywhere from using a re-themed PF to just using the same old technology under the playfield.
I'D LOVE THIS GAME IF IT DIDN'T......:
People pay how much for a new pin to only find out the software is unfinished or buggy. Seriously - how does this happen? And Sterns stance on this is pretty much no apologies and say something to the effect of, "It's your fault you didn;t try it out before you bought it." Yeah ok .... like I'm going to be able to hunt down a new release and if I do like I'm going to drop $50 into a machine trying to figure out the rule set and determine if I like it enough to buy it.
Stern will work on a software update for a machine that is "ok" as is and leaves the F'ed up title as is. Priioroty issues? I don;t know. But the good news is the software updates (recently Batman) improved the game play and made the game become more popular which is AWESOME for Stern in it's reissued at a later date game line. But the other pins lose their popularity and become a "red headed step child". This also hurts people who make repro hardware. They would undoubtedly make money if there was a calling or need for these titles hardware.
WHAT IF STERN CLOSED IT'S DOORS?:
I asked myself, "Self ... what would it mean to you if Stern went under? Would you really care?"
I answered, "I'd feel bad for the employees."
To me, looking at what Stern puts out lately ... no ... I honestly wouldn't care. I apologize for this harsh statement. Seriously though, why should I care when the chances that the next release (Rolling Stones) is going to suck. Well I hate the Stones but that's neither here nor there. Trying to use common sense tells me it's a TERRIBLE idea. Most Stones fans are well past the point of playing pinball because they don;t go out anymore and the shits too expensive with a terrible economy they can;t afford it anyway. Kids (legal drinking age) aren't going to relate to the theme or the music. WTF Stern???? When all a person has to look forward to is a crapload of targets and pops surrounded by less than Mattel quality non interactive toys ... why would I look forward to the next pin? I could care less about the playfield standoffs used or the new lock down latches. These have ZERO to do with the fun factor and that's all I'm interested in.
Stern perplexes me. Gary Stern admits he isn;t catering to the pinheads anymore. He's more interested in cornering the home market and generating new pin blood. First of all I think that's a smart idea because there is a better chance of hooking that population VS the current pinhead population that couldn't solely keep his company afloat anyway. So he reduces cost (can;t blame him) and he puts out a new pin title. Then Stern starts to rerun proven success pins such as Batman, Spiderman and of course the infamous Lord of the Rings. Games that cost him a shit ton of money to make (in comparison to the new stuff) that cost upwards towards $2000 more than a more current disembowled NIB title? WHAT???? Doesn't care about pinheads but recycles a popular title that have a cult following lol?? Dont pinhead/collectors get pissed when Stern makes more of a popular title? Is there not an issue of devaluing? I suppose a person could argue Addams Family with manufacturing of over 10000 machines and it still is a great earner and it commands great money to purchase.
WILLIAMS OWNS WHAT?:
Tired of some pompus Ausie which I'll stay classy and not mention his name. Mosty because I don;t want this asshole suing me for deflamation of character or some other bullshit thing he would come up with. I have a family to feed and I'll assume this guy has more money than I do
The pin community can't move in any direction it seems without someone screaming copyright infringement. These people get offered anything from free vectorized scans to patched roms and they want to start shit. Irritating. I've done some super sluething and the truth shall be known in short time my children.
But back to hurting the business' that do repro.
It's truly a domino effect. There's a lot more money to be made if certain people would allow it to happen.
In closing I'd like to say I'm not a Stern hater or a Williams fan boy.
RANT OFF:
RANT ON:
Stern being referred to as "stagnant" mentioned in another thread.
Man is that an under statement. My one true regret is that I wasn't born earlier. To see pinball in it's prime when the market was hot and pinball was moving forward and Williams and the likes were innovating new ideas. Back when Stern sucked lol. It just seems most recent Stern games are recycled innovationless ideas. Anywhere from using a re-themed PF to just using the same old technology under the playfield.
I'D LOVE THIS GAME IF IT DIDN'T......:
People pay how much for a new pin to only find out the software is unfinished or buggy. Seriously - how does this happen? And Sterns stance on this is pretty much no apologies and say something to the effect of, "It's your fault you didn;t try it out before you bought it." Yeah ok .... like I'm going to be able to hunt down a new release and if I do like I'm going to drop $50 into a machine trying to figure out the rule set and determine if I like it enough to buy it.
Stern will work on a software update for a machine that is "ok" as is and leaves the F'ed up title as is. Priioroty issues? I don;t know. But the good news is the software updates (recently Batman) improved the game play and made the game become more popular which is AWESOME for Stern in it's reissued at a later date game line. But the other pins lose their popularity and become a "red headed step child". This also hurts people who make repro hardware. They would undoubtedly make money if there was a calling or need for these titles hardware.
WHAT IF STERN CLOSED IT'S DOORS?:
I asked myself, "Self ... what would it mean to you if Stern went under? Would you really care?"
I answered, "I'd feel bad for the employees."
To me, looking at what Stern puts out lately ... no ... I honestly wouldn't care. I apologize for this harsh statement. Seriously though, why should I care when the chances that the next release (Rolling Stones) is going to suck. Well I hate the Stones but that's neither here nor there. Trying to use common sense tells me it's a TERRIBLE idea. Most Stones fans are well past the point of playing pinball because they don;t go out anymore and the shits too expensive with a terrible economy they can;t afford it anyway. Kids (legal drinking age) aren't going to relate to the theme or the music. WTF Stern???? When all a person has to look forward to is a crapload of targets and pops surrounded by less than Mattel quality non interactive toys ... why would I look forward to the next pin? I could care less about the playfield standoffs used or the new lock down latches. These have ZERO to do with the fun factor and that's all I'm interested in.
Stern perplexes me. Gary Stern admits he isn;t catering to the pinheads anymore. He's more interested in cornering the home market and generating new pin blood. First of all I think that's a smart idea because there is a better chance of hooking that population VS the current pinhead population that couldn't solely keep his company afloat anyway. So he reduces cost (can;t blame him) and he puts out a new pin title. Then Stern starts to rerun proven success pins such as Batman, Spiderman and of course the infamous Lord of the Rings. Games that cost him a shit ton of money to make (in comparison to the new stuff) that cost upwards towards $2000 more than a more current disembowled NIB title? WHAT???? Doesn't care about pinheads but recycles a popular title that have a cult following lol?? Dont pinhead/collectors get pissed when Stern makes more of a popular title? Is there not an issue of devaluing? I suppose a person could argue Addams Family with manufacturing of over 10000 machines and it still is a great earner and it commands great money to purchase.
WILLIAMS OWNS WHAT?:
Tired of some pompus Ausie which I'll stay classy and not mention his name. Mosty because I don;t want this asshole suing me for deflamation of character or some other bullshit thing he would come up with. I have a family to feed and I'll assume this guy has more money than I do
The pin community can't move in any direction it seems without someone screaming copyright infringement. These people get offered anything from free vectorized scans to patched roms and they want to start shit. Irritating. I've done some super sluething and the truth shall be known in short time my children.
It's truly a domino effect. There's a lot more money to be made if certain people would allow it to happen.
In closing I'd like to say I'm not a Stern hater or a Williams fan boy.
RANT OFF:
