Nope.
They outlawed them because of the lead. Just like they did with paint.
There will always be a market for CRT's, as long as there is video.
I miss vision pro monitor's....
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Nope.
They outlawed them because of the lead. Just like they did with paint.
There will always be a market for CRT's, as long as there is video.
Oryk Zinyo
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"Bans" due to lead are not keeping them from being manufactured in third world countries. If they had to be manufactured in the US they would have disappeared long ago due to cost. We, and most of the rest of the world, have no restrictions on the import of CRT's either. The fact that new technologies (plasma and LED) replaced them at a lower manufacturing/delivery cost delt a fatal blow to the CRT manufacturing industry. As said before - out little niche is not big enough to keep even a third world CRT factory in business. There will be (minor) demand for the foreseeable future but it is not big enough to keep a factory's doors open. If the doors aren't open the CRT's aren't being produced.
VectorJunkie
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amr
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How are they outdated? LCD is not the pinnacle of technology either - they have been around for decades.
It's far more about environmentalism and intrusion of government into the marketplace than it is about technology and cost. You're delusional if you think otherwise.
'Our little niche market...' KLOV is the only market for CRTs?
There's a whole big huge world out there that runs off what you call 'outdated technology' including CRTs.
Bottom line is when a government or governing body forces an artificially contrived mandate onto a particular industry you will run into situations like this. When the client base is no longer allowed to use a perfectly viable (and legal) product then the obvious consequence is the makers of that product stop making it. The manufacturers move onto the next viable product that can be sold to the market.
It's not because the CRT's time had come. Bullshit mandates from governments acting on environmental activism forced the product out of the market prematurely and the replacement product's price point has not caught up yet.
The CRT would have eventually disappeared as the replacement technology price started to come into line (witness the TV market.)
But - I digress.
Damn...I am agreeing with AMR...
...is it a full moon tonite?
...is it a full moon tonite?
amr
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Daaang - did I write that? I must have been taken over by the demons of reason for a moment.
VectorJunkie
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I'm not saying the government didn't play any role in this, but it really was consumer driven. As the LCD and Plasma technologies got better, the consumer wanted the smaller form factor. I have a widescreen tube Sony TV in my media room. It takes 2-3 people to reasonably move that sucker. It is only a 34" tube. Whereas a 34" LCD TV can be moved by just me, mounted on the wall, etc., etc.... HD and the desire for bigger and bigger screens is driving the conversion more than power savings, or other green aspects. Most LCD screens have all kinds of harmful compounds in them too at this point.
Tubes are outdated and the replacement technologies reached "Good enough" status a few years back and it was a landslide disruption in the market. You guys shouldn't really be on KLOV... You need to be outside looking for Black Helicopters.
Tubes are outdated and the replacement technologies reached "Good enough" status a few years back and it was a landslide disruption in the market. You guys shouldn't really be on KLOV... You need to be outside looking for Black Helicopters.
Level42
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And in the meantime, www.arcadeshop.com is (again) selling Visio Pro's.
havok69
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Now we just need to find a LCD that can run at 15hz. I just bought a 19" 4:3 monitor for $75 for my computer. There must be some kind of hack to run the lower refresh rate, screw $500!!!
amr
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You gonna put a square LCD in place of a CRT?
Deadly
New member
If the tubes had lead in them then yes by all means there was a reason to get rid of these things and in fact we all have an ecological responsibility to ensure what we have in our posessions is disposed of properly because:
Lead has been proven to cause birth defects
Lead has been proven to cause cancer
The market has gone LCD techology as we all know. Anyone that's ever worked a plant knows that changes like this would require a massive retooling at the fab plant/s. So it's not a quick process to retool or is it cost effective either.
Bottom line - I don't like it anymore than anyone else. LCD monitors for arcades is shit. There are still an assload of 19" TV's out there. We have no proof as of yet that these aren't as reliable as the original stuff (yes someone please try to prove this). The original stuff is 20+ years old and still working. So between the original and the aftermarket chassis used with TV's I feel by the time most of this stuff starts to shit itself I'll be well over this hobby and not give a crap anyway. But the one thing I will care about is the well being of my children and I urge one and all to be ecologically responsible and dispose of your tubes properly.
Lead has been proven to cause birth defects
Lead has been proven to cause cancer
The market has gone LCD techology as we all know. Anyone that's ever worked a plant knows that changes like this would require a massive retooling at the fab plant/s. So it's not a quick process to retool or is it cost effective either.
Bottom line - I don't like it anymore than anyone else. LCD monitors for arcades is shit. There are still an assload of 19" TV's out there. We have no proof as of yet that these aren't as reliable as the original stuff (yes someone please try to prove this). The original stuff is 20+ years old and still working. So between the original and the aftermarket chassis used with TV's I feel by the time most of this stuff starts to shit itself I'll be well over this hobby and not give a crap anyway. But the one thing I will care about is the well being of my children and I urge one and all to be ecologically responsible and dispose of your tubes properly.
havok69
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arcadejunkie
In Memoriam
i bought a vision pro when i started in the hobby have used it maybe 2 hours since then. ive owned well over 150 games and have never run out of monitors in fact i just gave over a dozen of them to another collector just because i was sick of looking at rows of monitors in my shop. im not going to be using flatscreens ever in my little collecting world there is no point there are plenty of used burn free tubes out there i have no problems finding them
VectorJunkie
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All this LCD hate will go away at some point. The movie theatre by my house just cut over to LCD Menu boards and they look freaking awesome. The Pei Wei just cut over to them for their menus. As the cost comes down and quality goes up, your going to continue to see the expansion of the digital signage market...
While we bitch now, just wait because in 5-10 years we will be scooping up every used LCD available and building a video wall in our arcades or some other such nonsense. That is what we do.
While we bitch now, just wait because in 5-10 years we will be scooping up every used LCD available and building a video wall in our arcades or some other such nonsense. That is what we do.
I would agree with both sides on this matter.
Yes, crt replacement is the ultimate way to go ... but honestly the future of most arcade restoration will need to choose a lcd; not everyone wants a 20-30 year old seriously burned in monitor screen in their a newly restored machine.
Are arcade lcd's expensive? Yes, but that should change in due time.
Just my 25 cents on the matter.
Yes, crt replacement is the ultimate way to go ... but honestly the future of most arcade restoration will need to choose a lcd; not everyone wants a 20-30 year old seriously burned in monitor screen in their a newly restored machine.
Are arcade lcd's expensive? Yes, but that should change in due time.
Just my 25 cents on the matter.
I need two monitors right now, one for a DK Jr and the other for Centipede. Fortunately, I have one spare monitor, which will probably go in the Centipede. I can't bring myself to drop an LCD in either.
Has anyone tried the Pentranic monitors? I thought I saw a thread about them recently but can't find it now. I like the price....
Has anyone tried the Pentranic monitors? I thought I saw a thread about them recently but can't find it now. I like the price....
pacray
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I just ordered a bare tube. $75 delivered. I'll let you know how it works.
Ice Cream Jonsey
Active member
So I was considering a 19" LCD for my Taito converted Mr. Do! that nobody on earth could ever love but me. The CRT in it is screenburned and gaussed to hell.
I went over to Happ's site - they want $450 or so for a bog standard 19" LCD screen? I know Happ's website is like reading prices from 3009, but that can't be right.
Is anyone selling 19" LCDs for reasonable prices? (And is there lag like there is with certain LCDs and PC videogames? Because that would be a dealbreaker.)
find all the old 19" tvs you can and save them for tube swaps. You might get lucky half the time and they will work. My buddie Mickey does a lot of these. About half of them have the right number of pins and work really well. They never have any burn.
KenLayton
In Memoriam
Yes they want way too much for those LCD's.
No one has any reasonable prices for 19" LCD monitors for arcade use.
