I have Joust questions - you have answers - school me!

[LordOfDoubleDee]

I have Joust questions - you have answers - school me!

Hey there Klovers - everyone having a great holiday season?

So, picked up a nice Joust and have been going through the game - have a few questions for y'all:

See attached pictures...

1. Is this lighting effect I'm experiencing normal for a Joust? When the lights are off I'm getting marquee lighting spilling onto the control panel and screen. Looks pretty sweet but the only downside is that it washes out the blacks on the monitor a bit? Reminds me of the Frogger set up where there is supposed to be a black cardboard/tag board piece to block light but many of the cabinets have lost them. So some Frogger folks are getting lots of extra light but don't realize they are missing an important piece. Is that the situation here or is this normal/correct?

2. Can someone post a photo of the light bulb holders for the 1 and 2 player start buttons? Of course my buttons have been changed out to opaque ones (new translucent ones on the way) but the bulb holders and wiring have been removed so I'm trying to figure out a way to light these (or buy the correct parts). There is another method for lighting these but it requires the longer shaft buttons and white plastic holders. I think the buttons I have coming are the shorter length ones. Advice?

3. I have a switcher in this game so right now my coin door lights are not powered. I ordered some 3 LED, #44 replacement bulbs and am going to run -5 volts DC over there to light these up. Going to add a quick disconnect to the 6.3V ac line so when I get the linear power supply up and running and can easily convert it back. Is this the best way do this?

4. Can someone tell me about the solenoids (?) that are on the coin door? This is the first game I've owned that has those. No power is going to my coin door right now (switching ps) and I can coin up with a quarter as well as reject. How do I disable and/or enable these - not sure what to do with these.

5. I am short one "fat" or "thick" leaf switch, I created a spacer which is working for now - I'll post in WTB but if anyone has one they'd like to sell let me know.

6. I also need a replacement power supply board. Jacklick also was helping me and says the part is a d8784. So, if you've got one shoot me a PM.

I know that is a lot - feel free to jump in with any info/advice you have - any help would be appreciated.

Best,
DD

 

[mgkastra]

That lighting effect is not suppose to be there. The bezel needs to be flush with the front. I don't have a Joust style cabinet, so hopefully someone can chime in what's missing.

 

[z0ner]

4. Can someone tell me about the solenoids (?) that are on the coin door? This is the first game I've owned that has those. No power is going to my coin door right now (switching ps) and I can coin up with a quarter as well as reject. How do I disable and/or enable these - not sure what to do with these.

These are called lockout coils, and can be powered by various voltages but Williams generally uses 27VDC. Check the manual to make sure. When powered, they pull back the return post that would otherwise auto-reject coin. Saves your quarter from being swallowed up if you're too dumb to realize the game is turned off

I've got them on a few of my games. I'm very surprised yours are working without power though - they must be stuck on somehow.

 

[LordOfDoubleDee]

That lighting effect is not suppose to be there. The bezel needs to be flush with the front. I don't have a Joust style cabinet, so hopefully someone can chime in what's missing.

Good to know - I will look at the manual as well and see if I spot what's missing.

 

[LordOfDoubleDee]

These are called lockout coils, and can be powered by various voltages but Williams generally uses 27VDC. Check the manual to make sure. When powered, they pull back the return post that would otherwise auto-reject coin. Saves your quarter from being swallowed up if you're too dumb to realize the game is turned off

I've got them on a few of my games. I'm very surprised yours are working without power though - they must be stuck on somehow.

This makes sense - I was surprised that I wasn't having issues - you're right - they must be stuck.

 

[mgkastra]

Good to know - I will look at the manual as well and see if I spot what's missing.

It is a pretty neat and surreal effect though!

 

[LordOfDoubleDee]

It is a pretty neat and surreal effect though!

I know, like "kind of" cool - but, the washed out monitor is not.

I'm looking at the manual and don't see anything.

I'll get back inside there and see if I can spot something out-of-whack

Weird?

 

[LordOfDoubleDee]

Mylstar had mentioned that these bulb holders are a common pinball part?

What would I search for?

2. Can someone post a photo of the light bulb holders for the 1 and 2 player start buttons? Of course my buttons have been changed out to opaque ones (new translucent ones on the way) but the bulb holders and wiring have been removed so I'm trying to figure out a way to light these (or buy the correct parts). There is another method for lighting these but it requires the longer shaft buttons and white plastic holders. I think the buttons I have coming are the shorter length ones. Advice?

 

[LordOfDoubleDee]

If someone can shoot a picture of the control panel 1 & 2 player start light bulbs I would be very appreciative - I think I found the right lamp sockets on Pinball Life but need to compare to a picture.

It is really hard to tell what I'm looking at in the Joust manual.

Thanks KLOVers!

 

[jacklick]

That lighting effect is not suppose to be there. The bezel needs to be flush with the front. I don't have a Joust style cabinet, so hopefully someone can chime in what's missing.

I disagree here. I firmly believe the light from marquee is designed to leak/cascade down the bezel to illuminate the CP. It is ingenious if you ask me. Take a look at my youtube channel pic and you will see it clear as day. My stargate is not as illuminated as much because it originally had a plexi bezel that I swapped out with slightly thicker glass version. Both were original.

 

[Chevy Metalhead]

Yep, my Stargate and Joust both have the light shining down on the CP.

 

[jacklick]

If someone can shoot a picture of the control panel 1 & 2 player start light bulbs I would be very appreciative - I think I found the right lamp sockets on Pinball Life but need to compare to a picture.

It is really hard to tell what I'm looking at in the Joust manual.

Thanks KLOVers!

google is our friend. took me two seconds to find this.

 

[jacklick]

also your lockout coils get voltage from the same connector as coin door lights. If you don't have the original ps, I doubt they are receiving any power and have been modified to not reject the coin. When working properly and not powered, they will reject coins.

 

[LordOfDoubleDee]

google is our friend. took me two seconds to find this.

Great picture, I've been trying all kinds of different Google searches today and not finding a good photo. I'm curious, what was your search query? And, thank you!

 

[LordOfDoubleDee]

also your lockout coils get voltage from the same connector as coin door lights. If you don't have the original ps, I doubt they are receiving any power and have been modified to not reject the coin. When working properly and not powered, they will reject coins.

When I eventually send the power to my coin lights will there be a problem if I simply disconnected the lockout coils?

 

[LordOfDoubleDee]

I disagree here. I firmly believe the light from marquee is designed to leak/cascade down the bezel to illuminate the CP. It is ingenious if you ask me. Take a look at my youtube channel pic and you will see it clear as day. My stargate is not as illuminated as much because it originally had a plexi bezel that I swapped out with slightly thicker glass version. Both were original.

I really took things apart and looked around there and it seemed like the gap that allows the light to spill down onto the CP was intentional. It did not look like anything was missing or was assembled incorrectly. Yes, this must be a design choice. Interesting.

 

[LordOfDoubleDee]

I found these lamp sockets on Pinball life - they look like a perfect match.

 

[mgkastra]

I have Joust questions - you have answers - school me!

I disagree here. I firmly believe the light from marquee is designed to leak/cascade down the bezel to illuminate the CP. It is ingenious if you ask me. Take a look at my youtube channel pic and you will see it clear as day. My stargate is not as illuminated as much because it originally had a plexi bezel that I swapped out with slightly thicker glass version. Both were original.

I stand corrected but surely not as extreme is in the image? the light appears to be way too bright and doesn't have a more elegant glow. I also would like to see some hard documentation that this wasn't just an operator trick to lure people to machines

Does your machine have part 01-7207 in place? Looks like a light deflection shield that goes behind the marquee light assembly.

Found this picture from a restoration:

 

[jacklick]

I stand corrected but surely not as extreme is in the image? the light appears to be way too bright and doesn't have a more elegant glow. I also would like to see some hard documentation that this wasn't just an operator trick to lure people to machines

Does your machine have part 01-7207 in place? Looks like a light deflection shield that goes behind the marquee light assembly.

Found this picture from a restoration:

I agree OP's pic has too much light. With no bezel, the gap is about 1/2" from speaker panel to piece of wood that bezel rests on. That shield is really a mirror and is for monitor adjustment from the back of the machine but could have an impact if missing.

 

[jacklick]

Great picture, I've been trying all kinds of different Google searches today and not finding a good photo. I'm curious, what was your search query? And, thank you!

site:forums.arcade-museum.com joust control panel
then clicked on images. I always search this site first before going more broad.

When I eventually send the power to my coin lights will there be a problem if I simply disconnected the lockout coils?

two different voltages. 6.3vac for coin lights and 27vdc for coin lock out coils. Keeping the coils disconnected will not cause any issues. Lots of people disable them. I kind of like when I turn off the arcade how the all go clunk clunk clunk. Atari and probably others also had them.