mhanlen1
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Share the info. I've scanned a few game manuals online, without asking for credit. If it helps the community and it doesn't take a lot of time, you may as well share it.
Hobby or Wallet? Not what you think...
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modessitt
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There is a little difference between sharing info you found elsewhere and sharing info you created from scratch. It's like copying a song vs recording a song....
gutsman004
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The more info I read on this the more I lean towards wallet first hobby second.Whatever you are up to,if you are successful at pulling it off I'm sure it will be very appreciated!
Oryk Zinyo
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If you have studied the med res monitors enough to convert standard res I say offer it up as a service that you provide. I doubt that you will have a very large window to be the only supplier of such a service.
Some unscrupulous person (people) will reverse engineer what you have done and others will see it can be done and put forth the effort to figure out the conversion themselves. I have occasionally looked into the 4900 (5500) series monitors and the conversion looks straight forward, I just haven't had a reason to attempt it myself yet.
Some unscrupulous person (people) will reverse engineer what you have done and others will see it can be done and put forth the effort to figure out the conversion themselves. I have occasionally looked into the 4900 (5500) series monitors and the conversion looks straight forward, I just haven't had a reason to attempt it myself yet.
HudsonArcade
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It's been done before... Medium rez on a standard rez tube doesn't look nearly as good as medium rez on a medium rez tube...
All you're really doing is changing the oscillation frequency of the hsync loop.
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modessitt
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true, but something is better than nothing, and most probably won't notice the difference...
savit4l8r
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I know you work in the industry. Is this a hobby or a business for you? If it is the latter, I see no problem with offering a valuable product at a fair price for profit. I personally count on people like this to get some of the things I want like new artwork, cpos or Braze kits. However, if it is a hobby first, then sharing the info is the way to go. It sounds like you're leaning towards a happy medium. Give the info to those technically capable and I'm sure there is still a decent market for people like myself...
pseeds
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I would remember my friends and f*ck my enemies. 
shardian
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Sounds interesting. I can see how you figured it out, since most WG med res chassis are factory hacked/modded std res chassis anyways.
shardian
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I guess you have to swap or modify the yoke too. If it was just a chassis hack, mail order would be no prob.
Isn't this like what Raz is doing with CPS 2 boards? He charges to phoenix your Roms so you don't have to. He also has the info online. I would think most people pay for his mods because he spent the time to figure it out. So I would say option B if the price is reasonable.
As a person in the arts/design industry, I fully believe people should be financially compensated for their creative works unless they are the ones who decide otherwise.
gobsgraham
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I would suggest posting the info, then offering it as a paid service for those who can't/ don't want to do it themselves.
I burn the rom for the Tempest Tubes mod and wire up the switch. The info is online so anyone can do it, but most don't want to even though it is simple. I don't sell them, but I have made them for a few people who didn't want to mess with it. I am going out to install one now. I didn't charge, but offering the service sealed a deal on a game trade. I think there would be plenty of people who would pay for your mod. Probably plenty of others that would be mad that you are doing it too...this is KLOV.
I would start with making a bit of coin off of it. You figured it out, take some credit and enjoy a bit of extra play money for a while. It is no different than say and arcadeshop board or other multiboard. Someone took the time to figure it out and build it, made some money. Other people figure it out and there is not a lot of money left in it so you can decide to quit and leave everyone to figure things out for themselves or post instructions and offer it as a service.
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discgolfer72
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i started off as arcade games being a hobby but since i was laid off from my job this has become my full time main source of income
with that being said
i think that your best option is
release the work and then charge a a fee to preform the work for people
more often than not as others have stated you will make more money in the long run due to the average person not wanting to spend the time or effort to do it them selvs
the people that would do the work themselvs more than likley also have the knowlage to be able to reverse what you have done then start charging for the service themselvs
save yourself the headache and stress of fretting that someone is going to steal your work and just release it
i deal with the he stole this and no i created that all day when it comes to some of the modded maps and items that i and others have created in games like halo 2/3 and borderlands
with that being said
i think that your best option is
release the work and then charge a a fee to preform the work for people
more often than not as others have stated you will make more money in the long run due to the average person not wanting to spend the time or effort to do it them selvs
the people that would do the work themselvs more than likley also have the knowlage to be able to reverse what you have done then start charging for the service themselvs
save yourself the headache and stress of fretting that someone is going to steal your work and just release it
i deal with the he stole this and no i created that all day when it comes to some of the modded maps and items that i and others have created in games like halo 2/3 and borderlands
SuperSprint
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There is no wrong answer. If you help others with a problem, and they willingly hand you money for your services, everyone wins. If you elect to donate (more of) your time and intellect to a hobby that you love, everyone wins.
If it were me, I would sell the service until it ran it's course and/or you get bored, then donate the knowledge to the community.
If it were me, I would sell the service until it ran it's course and/or you get bored, then donate the knowledge to the community.
Lindsey
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It's more like recording a cover of an original song because you're just creating a new version of what's already been created. Unless you're planning to do the conversion in a way different than what the original manufacturer did which doesn't seem like a very good idea.
I would probably do both options, as suggested. Release the plans and do it as a service. It's not like it would really be tough for people who were inclined to do this conversion to compare the 2 schematics or even look at real monitors.
That said... I think if there were a market for conversion boards they would already be out there. It's simple enough to build. The fact that it will look fuzzy on a standard resolution tube may also dissuade some people. Of course... I could be wrong.
Are you planning to develop a conversion board or hand hack the conversions? Personally I would just do whatever the original manufacturer did to convert their standard resolution chassis to medium. That should be the most direct approach. Developing a board is the way to go. Hand hacking the conversion sounds like a real pain in the ass.
EDIT: Developing a procedure for something like the G07 is a different story. To my knowledge that one hasn't been done before so you would have something "original" there. In that case I would consider keeping the plans and selling conversion boards until someone reverse engineered it.
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jar539
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Moddissett,
I see no reason why you shouldn't make a couple of bucks in the process. In the short time I've been a part of this community I have witnessed what an asset you are with many responses to peoples problems/issues and your tolerance for noobs like me's questions.
I'd love to get my 720 monitor working, whatever it takes. I don't have a problem paying for someone's time, ingenuity, and expertise either. I say option b which slowly turns into option a.
Disclosure: Format borrowed from cadillacman:
Wanted Dead or Alive: WG 5515 Med Res Monitor chassis and/or daughterboard
I see no reason why you shouldn't make a couple of bucks in the process. In the short time I've been a part of this community I have witnessed what an asset you are with many responses to peoples problems/issues and your tolerance for noobs like me's questions.
I'd love to get my 720 monitor working, whatever it takes. I don't have a problem paying for someone's time, ingenuity, and expertise either. I say option b which slowly turns into option a.
Disclosure: Format borrowed from cadillacman:
Wanted Dead or Alive: WG 5515 Med Res Monitor chassis and/or daughterboard
SuperSprint
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Having spent a bunch of hours working this very chassis/schematic/monitor lately, I think you're underestimating the ease of his mod. To change from std res to med res, the scan rates are completely different. That not only changes the geometry of image, but many of the components that draw that image. I could be wrong, but I don't think this is feasible as a "conversion" board, short of the conversion board replacing the whole chassis.
+1. A lot of people forget that money (for most people) is just an abstract representation of your time/labor/skills. For example;
Mod will fix your chassis, and in return you will fix his roof. But he doesn't need his roof fixed, he needs his toaster fixed. So you will go fix someone else's roof, and they will fix your chassis. But they don't know how to fix chassis'. So nobody gets anything fixed.... Money exists to solve this problem. You fix a roof and get money, you give Mod some money and he fixes your chassis. Mod then gives your money to a guys who fixes toasters. Everyone is happy! The moral: There is nothing evil about asking to be paid for your efforts. I would argue quite the opposite, in fact. If you're not willing to help Mod fix his toaster, why the heck should he help you fix your chassis?
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Lindsey
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Fair enough. In that case it doesn't seem like something that's worth pursuing at all (IMO). Unless there is actually a demand which is of course the whole point of this thread.
My assumption was based on "$20 in parts and less than an hour labor". Admittedly I didn't actually look at the schematics. The "conversion board" I'm talking about is the extra board I've seen on the medium resolution version that's a hacked 4900. I assumed that's what he was talking about doing.
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If I am reading this right, I say charge 'em!
1. You deserve to profit from your work.
2. You can control the quality of the upgrade. Just send buyers a picture of the finished product to prove it works correctly and ship the end result back to them.
3. If you would consider accepting problem boards, you could fix them, and also upgrade them. This benefits you monetarily and the also your buyer.
4. When you get tired of it, or if it is taking too much of your time, I would post the information then.
1. You deserve to profit from your work.
2. You can control the quality of the upgrade. Just send buyers a picture of the finished product to prove it works correctly and ship the end result back to them.
3. If you would consider accepting problem boards, you could fix them, and also upgrade them. This benefits you monetarily and the also your buyer.
4. When you get tired of it, or if it is taking too much of your time, I would post the information then.
