haunted house gottlieb system 80 strange issue am i going crazee?

ixtlann

Active member
Joined
Dec 25, 2009
Messages
1,960
Reaction score
6
Location
Ohio
haunted house gottlieb system 80 strange issue am i going crazee?

haunted house gottlieb system 80 strange issue am i going crazee?
vertical up kicker relay doesnt fire when ball is on switch
here are the details
it makes the music sound signifying it kicking a ball up and get the points for being on that switch.
vuk rleay doesnt fire
you can fire it by grouding that transistor on the driver board.
tried know good cpu and driver board from black hole results are blackhole still works fine with the hh boards, and hh still acts the same....
wtf bad eeprom? maybe some jackoff wired my switch to the wrong shit? i dont fucking know.
 
The upkicker on Haunted House is known to give headaches. The "K" relay underneath the lower playfield is unreliable. I would suggest that you modify the upkicker with a pop bumper driver board. The info for the procedure is found:
http://www.pinrepair.com/sys80/index2.htm#upkick
I did this on my machine, and it works great.
-Mark

Thanks for the bump, but its pretty obvious you dont not grasp the issue.infact it was modified in this manner by prev owner and would lock on on power up and blow the main controlled solenoids fuse, i could not figure out how to make it work modded, as far as i could tell the mod was done 100% correct, but it would not unlock the coil which is nuts, cuz it should not be locking on with pbdb, tried several pbdb's, same result.
so i figured, try putting it back to oem, simple right? yeah right wtf is going on here!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-7Z2Hi7GiA
 
crazeee stuff im about to ghetto rig it up!
 
Thanks for the bump, but its pretty obvious you dont not grasp the issue.infact it was modified in this manner by prev owner and would lock on on power up and blow the main controlled solenoids fuse

Well if you provided this info on your original post maybe I could grasp it better....

I would not try to re-vert it back to the original setup, it is not nearly as reliable as the PBDB. Have you checked the transistor on the driver boards? If it was locking up, there is a good chance the transistor was bad or damaged. Just because you can ground the transistor doesn't mean it's good. If you swapped driver boards and you have a bad coil/ diode in your machine, it will damage both boards....and they would act the same. Check the wiring on the upkicker coil, and check the diode. Then replace the transistors on the driver board.
-Mark
 
Well if you provided this info on your original post maybe I could grasp it better....

I would not try to re-vert it back to the original setup, it is not nearly as reliable as the PBDB. Have you checked the transistor on the driver boards? If it was locking up, there is a good chance the transistor was bad or damaged. Just because you can ground the transistor doesn't mean it's good. If you swapped driver boards and you have a bad coil/ diode in your machine, it will damage both boards....and they would act the same. Check the wiring on the upkicker coil, and check the diode. Then replace the transistors on the driver board.
-Mark

it is not the driver board or cpu issue, they are tested good verified by swapping in blackhole machine. meaning not only did the bh boards not make a difference in hh, but even the hh board operated the upkicker fine in bh, which is run off the same transister q13.

doing pbdb mod will not work since the relay is not being triggered, ie no signal.

up kicker coil isnt even wired in, so nothing to check there, the relay that controls it, is what i am trying to get working. with the relay working this would be a no brainer, but the relay is not being fired.
but fires when transistoer q13 tested. and the driver board works fine in the other machine.

where is this diode i should be testing?

am i going crazee wtf is going on!
 
The diode is on the upkicker coil, and it can't hurt to check it, but I don't think that would cause your problem the more I think about it though....If the fuse was blowing right away this would be the likely culprit.
-Mark
 
The diode is on the upkicker coil, and it can't hurt to check it, but I don't think that would cause your problem the more I think about it though....If the fuse was blowing right away this would be the likely culprit.
-Mark

Dude.....
really?
im not trying to be mean but you just dont get it.

im talking about the relay that runs the up kicker, the upkicker isnt even wired right now

the relay that runs the up kicker is not being fired, but i can fire it manually by grounding the resepctive q13 transistor on the driver board.

changing the cpu and driver board changes nothing, and also shows those boards from hh are good as they run properly in black hole.

and to add to the confusion, the machine makes the tune its supposed to play when you hit that switch for upkicker.
unless there is something pretty weird going on, my best guess is a bad eeprom, but i am hoping some one can tell me some other stuff to check besides that and going through all of the wiring.
 
changing the cpu and driver board changes nothing, and also shows those boards from hh are good as they run properly in black hole.

Does Black Hole use the same driver transistor that drives the VUK relay in HH? What does that transistor drive in Black Hole and is that solenoid working when you put the board in that machine? What I'm asking is if you were able to test that drive circuit in Black Hole with the game code controlling it. If not then you could have a problem in the pre-driver circuit.
 
Dude.....
really?
im not trying to be mean but you just dont get it.

im talking about the relay that runs the up kicker, the upkicker isnt even wired right now

the relay that runs the up kicker is not being fired, but i can fire it manually by grounding the resepctive q13 transistor on the driver board.

changing the cpu and driver board changes nothing, and also shows those boards from hh are good as they run properly in black hole.

and to add to the confusion, the machine makes the tune its supposed to play when you hit that switch for upkicker.
unless there is something pretty weird going on, my best guess is a bad eeprom, but i am hoping some one can tell me some other stuff to check besides that and going through all of the wiring.



Yeah...I don't get it...I tried to offer you a suggestion, when you gave a non-detailed description of your problem. When I mentioned the typical things to check you THEN revealed some more info/details that you should have had in your first post, and take a jab at me trying to help you.
Go ghetto rig it, like you mentioned a few posts up, then work on the multi-ball project you were dreaming up. (once you figure out how to get ONE ball out of the basement.)
-Mark
 
Does Black Hole use the same driver transistor that drives the VUK relay in HH? What does that transistor drive in Black Hole and is that solenoid working when you put the board in that machine? What I'm asking is if you were able to test that drive circuit in Black Hole with the game code controlling it. If not then you could have a problem in the pre-driver circuit.

does blackhole use the same driver transistor that drive the vuk in hh, Yes they are both q13.
what does q13 drive in blackhole, it drive its up kicker as well, and either set of boards work fine in blackhole, swapping cpus and driver boards shows both sets of board work fine in black hole, and both sets have same issue in haunted house.

was i able to test the drive circuit in blackhole with game code controlling it, yes, when i tested it in black hole, and vice versa, i made sure to swap the eeproms so the eeproms stayed in the correct games.

i was assuming it was an issue in the pre drive circuit until i swapped the cpu as well, i am assuming in this case pre driver circuit means the cpu as apposed to drive board right?
 
Hey princess, calm down.
If you take every thing personal said by a guy on the internet looking for repair help on a pin, well you get the idea heh.

Here's and e beer for you for trying. Cheers!

Yeah...I don't get it...I tried to offer you a suggestion, when you gave a non-detailed description of your problem. When I mentioned the typical things to check you THEN revealed some more info/details that you should have had in your first post, and take a jab at me trying to help you.
Go ghetto rig it, like you mentioned a few posts up, then work on the multi-ball project you were dreaming up. (once you figure out how to get ONE ball out of the basement.)
-Mark
 
i got nothing. i am gonna have to check out the wiring etc.

if all else fails i may try a slightly different verision of the pbdb mod.
just let the switch itself run the pbdb, as apposed to the relay signal.

i dunno, ideas, questions, comments
 
Hey princess, calm down.
If you take every thing personal said by a guy on the internet looking for repair help on a pin, well you get the idea heh.

Here's and e beer for you for trying. Cheers!

I think you just shot yourself in the foot there...insulting and being impatient with people who are just trying to help is not a good thing.Especially when you omitted pertinent info in the first post.
 
I think you just shot yourself in the foot there...insulting and being impatient with people who are just trying to help is not a good thing.Especially when you omitted pertinent info in the first post.

I would beg to differ on both accounts. But if you said my communication skills / typing sucked I would probably not contest it.
And for the record, i was not intending to insult. I just didnt want the information to get off track. With out getting to techincal, suggesting adding the pbdb with the problem as oringally described in first post, is not a solution, as it still requires the signal that is not being sent.

The Extra information in the 2nd post is irrelavent,not pertinant at all and not needed to tell me where else to look. imo, as i am not trying to hook it up in that fashion, prev owner did that and it had its own set of problems, least of which is that its not gonna get a signal to fire anyways unless i can fix the lack of signal first.
IMO anyways

that being said once again the issue is.

The cpu and driver board are both 100% good test by swapping into another machine.
grounding the tab on the q13 will activate the coil as it should.
the switch that is supposed to tell the cpu the ball is there also appears to be getting that signal to the cpu as it plays a tune when you sit the ball there.
the switch itself also test good.
 
Well... I'm not planning to give any more help so he was right in the regard.

Sorry if i unsulted you some how? seems like i really struck a nerve, looks like i am on my own for this one at this point.
Sorry guys. and i Do concede to being impatient with tec 9's replys.
i however still did not intend to insult, and dont believe i left out pertinant info in first post.
have a nice day
Toby
 
Back
Top Bottom