gomez officially joins stern as "vice president of game development"
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They're not even the only manufacturer in the US...
http://www.retropinball.net/index.html
http://www.retropinball.net/index.html
RareHero
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They have a warehouse full of new games in York, PA that are selling. You not giving a shit sure doesn't equal everyone.
RareHero
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Doesn't matter if they're selling them out of a rotted out box van. They are building and selling brand new pinball machines, so Stern isn't the only manufacturer of pinball machines in the US, let alone the world as they claim.
RareHero
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quses
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In. Your. Dreams.
In addition to the obvious fact that JJP is producing WOZ and it most certainly is not vaporware...
* Gene produced BBB and is supposed to be working on Kingpin and Wizard Blocks. He has produced games; he says he's continuing to produce games.
* Retro Pinball, LLC is producing The King of Diamonds game, and it's being shipped as we speak (http://www.retropinball.net/index.html)
* Ben Heck produced a completely original pinball game: http://benheck.com/03-16-2010/bill-paxton-pinball and plans to produce more. Other enthusiasts such as Jeri Ellsworth and many others are doing the same.
* Whizbang pinball is producing the "Whoa Nellie!" game - http://whizbangpinball.blogspot.com/
The bottom line is that Stern are a bunch of liars. They know. Everybody else knows it. You have to wonder what kind of company they are when they insult the entire rest of the pinball community by making such ridiculous claims. If they want to say they're the "largest manufacturer of pinball games", that's true. If they want to say they're the "oldest manufacturer still making pinball games", that's true, but it's a slap in the face to hundreds of other people in the industry to say they're the "only" maker. It's bullshit.
Why anyone wants to be an apologist for what is obviously a bald-faced lie is beyond me. You can still be a fan of Stern and their products without pretending you live in some alternate reality where whatever line they feed people is taken as the uncontested truth.
mrgone
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2 points to key on here. 1,jersey jack is releasing woz by year end. 2,with new competition stern is making improvements to their new titles,tron looks to be a hit and with steve ritchie,george gomez,and pat lawler making pins for them the future of pinball is looking brighter than it has for a decade. get your cheap sunglasses on fella's.
RareHero
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OK, I'll bite. To me, the quote "The only maker of REAL pinball games on the planet" means they're the only fully functioning factory designing NEW games and manufacturing pinball machines for arcade use...this is what they do all day/all night... with 100% pinball infrastructure and support. Once Jersey Jack's game is complete, they WILL have to change this....but onto these examples...lol
He didn't create any new games. He rebuilt 1. He may get around to some others. Not an valid comparison.
They didn't create a new game. They repro'd 1. Will they do anything else beyond that? Until then, not really a pinball factory.
One person making a one-off game. Stern's website and slogan is appealing to customers who may want to buy something. Irrelevant.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this another "homebrew" type limited thing? Again...not a company that needs a distribution network, tech support, etc.
Did Gary Stern fuck your sister? The anger...the rage...it's only pinball!
He didn't create any new games. He rebuilt 1. He may get around to some others. Not an valid comparison.
They didn't create a new game. They repro'd 1. Will they do anything else beyond that? Until then, not really a pinball factory.
One person making a one-off game. Stern's website and slogan is appealing to customers who may want to buy something. Irrelevant.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this another "homebrew" type limited thing? Again...not a company that needs a distribution network, tech support, etc.
Did Gary Stern fuck your sister? The anger...the rage...it's only pinball!
mrgone
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Did Gary Stern fuck your sister? The anger...the rage...it's only pinball! [/QUOTE]
that is the funniest thing i have heard/read this week. thank you for the good laugh.
[/QUOTE]that is the funniest thing i have heard/read this week. thank you for the good laugh.
quses
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I see. So maybe Stern should change their slogan to:
The only maker of REAL pinball machines on the planet, as defined by some anonymous dude on the Internet named "RareHero"
yea... that has a nice ring to it...
Did Gary Stern fuck your sister? The anger...the rage...it's only pinball!
I just don't like lies. Stern's slogan is obviously a lie. The only way it's not considered a lie is when people have to pull some semantic BS and try to creatively interpret what is meant by stupid adjectives like "real", or put some special spin on what "manufacturer" means...
Common sense pretty much defines what these things mean, until apologists come in and try to come up with some bizarre condition where the phrase might be considered "true."
I find it dishonest. Disingenuous.
Stern is obviously taking a pot shot at the other producers in the industry by making that claim. If they really produced good, solid, games, they wouldn't need to employ childish put-downs towards the competition in their company slogan. There are so many better, more truthful things they could say, such as "The largest pinball manufacturer" or even "The #1 pinball manufacturer in the world", the fact that they have to say something so stupid like, "The only real manufacturer..." seems petty and childish to me.
That's just my opinion. Yours may vary. But the truth is the truth. If you have to rationalize that much to make their slogan seem "accurate", chances are, you're not that close to what would commonly be considered the truth.
Stern's slogan is analogous to Fox News saying they're "Fair and Balanced." It's a load of horse-hockey and an insult to peoples' intelligence. At the same time, I recognize not everyone may care enough to be insulted or have enough to be insulted. So your mileage may vary, but I dislike it when companies engage in deceptive advertising. I don't see why Stern has to stoop to something like that. It's not going to serve their interests in the long run.
On the other hand, if Gary Stern's passive-aggressive attacks at JJP result in them being even more motivated to kick Stern's ass, it will be a win-win situation for pinball. I think the fact that Stern has to levy some childish claim like they're "the only real maker" is a sign of how desperate and intimidated they are by JJP.
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RareHero
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I love ya brothah, but.. fuuuuck....get over it. It's just not worth it. It's a fucking slogan, like "Genesis Does What NintenDON'T" ...was that "100% True" ..of course not! McDonald's current slogan is "You want it, need it, you gotta have a taste of McDonald's burgers" ...that's a lie! Well, in my case anyway.
Look, Jack will have his own slogans....
JERSEY JACK PINBALL:
"The biggest, best, most modern pinball machine maker in the universe!"
or
JERSEY JACK PINBALL:
"Our games don't suck!"
or
JERSEY JACK PINBALL:
"Play our games, or we'll break your fuckin' legs!!!!"
quses
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I love ya brothah, but.. fuuuuck....get over it. It's just not worth it. It's a fucking slogan, like "Genesis Does What NintenDON'T" ...was that "100% True" ..of course not! McDonald's current slogan is "You want it, need it, you gotta have a taste of McDonald's burgers" ...that's a lie! Well, in my case anyway.
Look, Jack will have his own slogans....
JERSEY JACK PINBALL:
"The biggest, best, most modern pinball machine maker in the universe!"
or
JERSEY JACK PINBALL:
"Our games don't suck!"
or
JERSEY JACK PINBALL:
"Play our games, or we'll break your fuckin' legs!!!!"
yea, you're right bro... too much caffeine for me...
I've also been in a nasty mood since my dog died last week... a 15-year member of the family and I've basically been keeping busy so I don't have to think about it. It's not like I really care that much about what Stern says... so yea, I need to chill... thanks.
mrgone
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Im very excited about the new pins from jersey jack and i hope they have great success.
that said,I must tip my hat to gary stern for single-handedly keeping the pinball flame lit for 11 years. sterns pins may not be perfect,but its a whole lot better than no pins at all.
i also believe that stern has been using the tag line "the only maker of reaL pinball machines on earth for some time.not just to stick it to jersey jack.
that said,I must tip my hat to gary stern for single-handedly keeping the pinball flame lit for 11 years. sterns pins may not be perfect,but its a whole lot better than no pins at all.
i also believe that stern has been using the tag line "the only maker of reaL pinball machines on earth for some time.not just to stick it to jersey jack.
quses
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I agree. I'm grateful to anyone still making pinball machines.
SideTrackTap
Member
That was my thought. How long have they been using that tagline? It sounds like for a while. Maybe before all the others have popped up? Maybe Stern just needs a new tagline.
In any event, like others, I'm happy knowing there STILL are pinball manufactures. Also looking forward to the big names joining Stern. With everything happening in the pinball industry, I believe we are just at the beginning of something real bitch'n.
Chris
Frax
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Will be interesting to see if they change the slogan next year or not. That said....am I the only one that thinks the LCD screen is a horrendous idea? How the hell am I supposed to look up at that thing to see what's going on?
Better have some long-ass ball lock sequences when modes start and stuff. Sheesh.
Better have some long-ass ball lock sequences when modes start and stuff. Sheesh.
RareHero
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I think most of us miss out on DMD animation because we're looking at the playfield...so, this shouldn't be much different in that respect. So - if you miss a video clip or animation, you'll get to enjoy it when you watch someone else play.
We don't quite know yet how they'll be using the LCD. The backglass has always been an "attract piece" for others in the arcade or people watching. Maybe the display will be very subtle...mostly showing the "backglass art" and scores...with "virtual" flashers. Maybe various frames will form to display the art, scores, goals to achieve, goals completed. I have a feeling it's going to relatively functional and not overly distracting.
WadeLanham
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The claim from Stern is BS, but they justify it in their mind since no one else produces as many pins as they do. Rarehero, they don't produce pinball machines all the time, they stop and make redemption games too, right?? It's a BS claim, but the bottom line is they know the smaller makers can't afford to sue them over it, so they can make a false claim. Gotta prove damages, lawyers cost big bucks, etc.
Wade
Wade
