VOTE Game Stencils - my paint sucks

Nobody has to apologize or anything else. If anything I hope people reading this thread might just think about it a little differently next time something doesn't go quite as expected and perhaps make a small change in their approach to the situation. Do unto others as the saying goes.

Reset button pressed. Moving on.
 
I would think it has something to do with

1. possibly using Latex paint over Oil paint?

2. possibly painting one coat on, and then another coat on a day or two later. If you don't do coats within 24 hours or so, on most paint it'll cause an issue where the two layers won't bond together.

It looks like to me the top layer of paint didn't bond to the paint below it, so anything would have pulled it off. I've had problems like this before.

Also have questions about humidity, in the pictures it's raining outside, sometimes if you paint in high humidity it will do weird things with paint too.
 
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What kind of prep to cabinet? Type of primer? What grit of paper after primer? What kind of base coat paint? How applied?

If you used latex, then sand it down and do it over.
 
In the interest of everyone learning what happened here, i'll share what's being discovered so we all figure it out and know for the future.

This was in fact a full bare cabinet sand down, primer and paint. We are looking at just what brand/type of paints were used. On the surface, it seems like proper preparation methods were used so there's something else going on. One thing is that the primer was tinted dark joust brown as well that i'm curious how it was tinted and if that may have had an effect on the adhesion between layers. The primer color is what made me think the cab had not been prepped, and that's what you see in the OP's pictures where the paint lifted.

Again, nobody's done anything wrong here but we can all learn from what is an unusual situation that doesn't have an easy explanation.
 
Thanks for this objective and helpful post, prok. As someone that has never done stencils, I'm reading this thread as a learning opportunity.

Scott C.
 
We're just about to release a video on how to use some of Brian's stencils. I'd really like to know the cause of this as well so we can add it to the episode.

We just finished doing this Robotron:
http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=388651

It was our first attempt at ever doing this,and I can't say any more how amazing the stencils worked. Very happy on this end, but sorry to see what went sideways on that poor Joust. :(
 
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So I take it the adhesive on the stencils isn't the same 'tack' as the adhesive on, say...Post-It Notes? lol



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That's what my experience was anyways. Quite similar to post it notes. Mind you that was on the paint we used for the Robotron. The masking was hard to remove. Hard as hell, but I've had that issue with vinyl side art before.

Could the adhesive of the stencil some how chemically bonded with what ever type of paint used?
 
So I take it the adhesive on the stencils isn't the same 'tack' as the adhesive on, say...Post-It Notes? lol

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It's in between.. like a super strong post it note. Stencil vinyls are meant to hold just enough so the pressure from a paint gun or sandblasting gun won't blow them off or lift during painting.
 
That's what my experience was anyways. Quite similar to post it notes. Mind you that was on the paint we used for the Robotron. The masking was hard to remove. Hard as hell, but I've had that issue with vinyl side art before.

Could the adhesive of the stencil some how chemically bonded with what ever type of paint used?

Little trick to removing masking... a light spritz of water with a handheld squirt bottle.
 
Huh, yeah I figured any kind of moisture would have lowered the adhesive property of the stencil.

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In the interest of everyone learning what happened here, i'll share what's being discovered so we all figure it out and know for the future.



This was in fact a full bare cabinet sand down, primer and paint. We are looking at just what brand/type of paints were used. On the surface, it seems like proper preparation methods were used so there's something else going on. One thing is that the primer was tinted dark joust brown as well that i'm curious how it was tinted and if that may have had an effect on the adhesion between layers. The primer color is what made me think the cab had not been prepped, and that's what you see in the OP's pictures where the paint lifted.



Again, nobody's done anything wrong here but we can all learn from what is an unusual situation that doesn't have an easy explanation.



Again, full apologies, it was a rash and in the heat of the moment thing and for that I am sorry for the comments against game stencil and Prok.

I am still learning in the space and appreciate the knowledge and graciousness of the experts here...and patience.

Lesson learned: not all paints are created equal.

Rustoleum primer (for oil based)
Valspar satin coat (oil based)

I am going to assume valspar is not a friend of rustoleum. Knowledge shared.
 
Assume the spray is a timing thing, since you want to get the stencil off before that paint dries? Can you give more step by step on the removal?

Thanks!
 
So much for my self imposed hiatus from klov, and sadly for the very reason I opted to take a break.

Long story short, this is clearly a paint prep problem. From the looks of it, there are two colors of brown with one separating from the other. My quick visual guess is that the second brown color is the original joust brown which would indicate there is no primer or prep done. I could be wrong, but that's how it looks to me. Either way, one layer of paint separating from another is a sign of things not being right at the paint level. Also, stencil material is not standard print vinyl, it's designed to tear. When removing large or complex stencils it's quite normal to pull an area and tear it off and then pull another and tear that off.

I received an email moments ago with me on full blast. I promise you Eric, the problem here is not with the stencils and had you simply asked for a hand or advice or replacement parts for free i'd have happily obliged as i've done dozens of times over the years. Not everyone gets it right the first time and I try to help people get there. However, posts like this and the tone of the email you sent me are not likely to get a smile and offer of help from me.

Sometimes just be willing to admit you perhaps made a mistake and need a hand. It will always work better than blaming others and writing nasty things.


/brian

This was a classic mistake of mixing paint products that wont bind together. He stated he used rustoleum primer which is not going to let the Valspar bind so when he applied the stencil the valspar was basically a mask since it would not adhere to the primer.
Paint can be very temper-mental and even the pros screw up when using an unfamiliar product. I stick with the same family of paint products start to finish and peel the stencils within 5 minutes of spraying them with excellent results. another tip is everyone quit rolling, you can get yourself a cheap harbor freight spray setup, buy some oil based paint reduce it 50% with thinner,reducer, or naptha depending on the temps and practice spraying on a sheet of plywood. after a few passes you will see the improvements of your patterns, and if you have a paint defect ( we all will) you wet sand out the defect and spray that section over, then use a nice satin clear to seal the color in. Good luck on the next project!
 
Clearly, you didn't clean the windows or check the oil first.



Ha, yep. I use that as overspray cardboard; just don't have the heart the have the paint hit the front side. Houston we had a problem with paint
 
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