Fascinating story. A good B&E excuse. 
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How much you think the Sundance sold for.Is it the most expensive Arcade game in existence?
I have told you, I don't have a problem with you. Ken does not have a problem with you. I just wish you would admit to the truth of stealing the sundance and that it was the wrong thing to do. You try to play it that it had to be done for the greater good.
You made no effort to get the game legally. I am sure you would have tried to fix it and sell it, but when the shit hit the fan, that was not an option for you. You do know the truth, but I am sure its not something you want out there.
If you just would admit you took sundance to make a profit, I could accept that. It would also clear up the why you did it.
Also, who is the one who started this in this thread? Your trying to make a joke about it at my expense. I just put your bullshit into a context you did not like and then dug up all of it.
But, as you know, committing a federal crime is not a big deal to you. you don't talk much about the omega race and asteroids deluxe rescue.
As for the B&E at the presidio, I am going by what you posted and then deleted. So if the facts are wrong, you can clarify them.
Well that statement is very disingenuous of you to say. You have taken every opportunity to slam me for a long time now. I haven't said a word about it all this time. You've called me a liar and a thief. You have said I'm incompetent and untrustworthy and other things that are not very nice. And yet you will come to my house and be all smiles. People who were not around back when this was all happening may take you at your word. It's not right. I'm going to pick this up in the "new" Sundance thread which I have avoided participating in up to now. I don't think I'll belabor it too long.
If anyone cares (doubtful at this point) I will post in that thread. Everyone here can go back to talking about the dump find. Here's the link: http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=377651
So it's ok to pay someone else to steal it for you as long as you don't steal it yourself. Got it. It's hard for me to keep all these rules straight. Thanks for the clarification.
Ok for those playing along, Bill said these things about me in another thread today here: http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=380427
Rather than continuing to mess up that thread I thought it would be best to bring it back here. I wasn't going to talk more about this but since Bill keeps insisting on blathering about things he knows nothing about, well, here we are.
If you don't have a problem with me then why do you go around calling me a liar and thief all the time? Sounds like you have a problem with me.
Second, I have said over and over that it was not the right thing to take it. I never claimed that it was for some "greater good". I wanted the game. Plain and simple. Just like you did. You were one of the very first people to advocate going into the building and suggested sending your brother in to be sure it was still there.
Incorrect. You said you talked to the guys ex-wife. I bet I talked to her well before you did. Did she tell you about her husband being a child molester? Did she tell you that if you ever found him not to let her know unless he was dead? That's what she told me. Not that it matters in terms of what I did. Ok, how about this...did you know that I had called the police and reported to them that I had taken the game very early on? Did you know that they told me to hang onto it while I was looking for the owner? All of this was prior to when Greg started stirring things up. You seem to think he somehow "saved" me by some of your other comments. There is zero truth to that. There was nothing altruistic in his actions. He wanted the game. Just like I did. Just like you did.
Sure, I hoped to profit at some point. But I mostly did it because I happened to be in the area and it sounded fun though. And it was a lot of fun, that's for sure. I'd probably do it different next time though.
Wasn't me.
And to save you from embarrassing yourself, check the dates on the threads. The Sundance thread that you claim I deleted a post about these games was LOCKED about a year prior to anyone even discovering that Omega Race game in the Presidio. And close to a year prior to my finding the AD at a thrift store and posting that I got a great deal on it.
Who the fuck are you? The Pope? Stop being a cock.
Jesus man... really?
I don't have admin access to see what was deleted by you or by an admin. So I can't say what you posted and deleted.
Just answer some very simple questions.
did you take(since you don't like to use the word steal) games from some other place that did not belong to you? (if someone else took them and gave them to you that still counts as stealing them)
Was taking sundance stealing?
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I will gladly answer yours. Then answer mine.
For the first question, no I did not.
For the second question, there is no clear answer. To you and many others it was obviously stealing. But to me and many others it was not since there was never any intent to defraud the guy of property or money. I immediately notified him of what I had done and offered to return it or compensate him. You call it stealing. I don't. But was it a poor choice? It most certainly was.
Ok, now your turn.
How could I have posted (and then sneakily deleted the post) that I stole something from the presidio in a thread that was locked in 2010 when the game was not discovered in the Presidio until 2011?
Who the fuck are you? The Pope? His minister? His father? He doesn't owe you a damn thing, let alone an "admission". Stop being a dick.
Jesus man... really?
Seriously... sounds like he has owned up to what he did, so why continue?? I'm sure you're no saint...
But then again, continue... Rereading all this is passing the time at work!!!
Edit... Not aimed at you Frizz... Just liked what you said...
yes, he pretty much finally did. I am good with it. now when sundance is referenced, you can see this page and decide without a load of bullshit.
I am not a saint. Never claimed to be. But then I am not an a-hole either. When that op asked me to snake the deal from under you, I did not mess your deal up, and I vouched for you guys. I could have easily been an a-hole to you guys then, and you would never had known it. But I told you what was going on. I gained nothing by telling you. We both know it was profitable. But there is more to life than money.
All these years this has been popping up because people think its funny and a joke that's usually at my expense. I don't care that he stole it. I always known it was out of greed. I can understand that. He has admitted to that part of it. That is easy to forgive its human nature.
What bugs me is that he keeps trying to say he was in the right and that I was greedy and wanted it for myself. That's a 100% lie. I never wanted the game. My only motivation was to help a friend. This time he started it with a snide remark in a thread. Now I want to finish it for good.
I just what to see if john would fully admit to what he did. He just has not owned up to the central point, that it was stealing. Its a small thing, but its an important point to me. then I can let it go.
As for you input, its noted. Bless you. I forgive you.