Free Jukebox Manuals

Looks like old KittyBeater/VidKiller is going to be getting a visit from the cease and desist police soon, you can't post juke manuals online. The copyright is heavily protected and defended by it's owner. If I'm right, I think VictoryGlass owns the rights to all of the Rock-Ola Manuals, (Ken could probably verify this) and they haven't been shy in bringing sites down for it.

Edit: It kind of sounded like I actually reported them in my post. I want to clarify and say I did not report anyone, nor will I, but there are those who read these forums who will do so in a heartbeat (especially against someone with VidKiller's rep) Just fair warning to VidKiller/KittyBeater if he reads this...

2nd Edit: This wasn't intended to be anything negative toward the OP either. Hope you didn't interpret it that way...
 
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Yes, several years ago, Victory Glass bought the entire Rock-ola vinyl jukebox parts inventory from Rock-ola. AMR Publishing assigned the rights to the Rock-ola vinyl jukebox manuals to Victory Glass. Rock-ola still owns the rights to the Rock-ola CD jukebox manuals and their downloading (internet) jukeboxes.

Victory Glass still owns the rights to the Rowe vinyl juke manuals, Seeburg juke manuals, and Wurlitzer vinyl juke manuals.
 
Looks like old KittyBeater/VidKiller is going to be getting a visit from the cease and desist police soon, you can't post juke manuals online. The copyright is heavily protected and defended by it's owner. If I'm right, I think VictoryGlass owns the rights to all of the Rock-Ola Manuals, (Ken could probably verify this) and they haven't been shy in bringing sites down for it.

Edit: It kind of sounded like I actually reported them in my post. I want to clarify and say I did not report anyone, nor will I, but there are those who read these forums who will do so in a heartbeat (especially against someone with VidKiller's rep) Just fair warning to VidKiller/KittyBeater if he reads this...

2nd Edit: This wasn't intended to be anything negative toward the OP either. Hope you didn't interpret it that way...

No probs,

I'd never criticise anyone on here or any other message board for having an opinion on a topic. It's only when they start criticising me for having my own, or attempting to play "moderator" that I might come back at them.

As I see it, the guy is not achieving any pecuniary advantage by offering the facility of a "freebee" pdf download.
I've seen plenty of sites where re-printed manuals have been offered at around $50, (which is what I paid for mine) are these all "authorised?" I actually think the price is a bit steep.

I'd guess they've been available for a while on that site and if something was going to happen it would have happened already. Worst case I guess, would be that the guy would be asked to stop,
"Litigation" seems a pretty expensive and rather drastic step in the circumstances.
 
In my opinion, the site with the jukebox free manual downloads is playing with fire.

Remember the situation with Gottlieb pinball manuals? Gottlieb LLC controls Gottlieb printed materials and do not allow any downloads. Manuals must be purchased from authorized Gottlieb licensees like Pinball Resource and Marco Specialties.

Victory Glass and their distributor Always Jukin Magazine are the authorized sellers of copyrighted jukebox manuals.
 
I think it's under more the context of if you own them you are aloud to make a copy of your manual. just like owning a Microsoft OS you have the right to copy it for backup purposes

so hows that a bad thing?
 
No probs,

I'd never criticise anyone on here or any other message board for having an opinion on a topic. It's only when they start criticising me for having my own, or attempting to play "moderator" that I might come back at them.

Let it die,pal....I have.
 
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No probs,

I'd never criticise anyone on here or any other message board for having an opinion on a topic. It's only when they start criticising me for having my own, or attempting to play "moderator" that I might come back at them.

Let it die,pal....I have.

Hmm..

Once again, the comment wasn't addressed to you. It was in context with the comments originally made to me, by the poster to whom I was responding.. But if the cap fits...

Quite happy to now "let it die, pal," but shouldn't have started in the first place, you seem to have conveniently forgotten that you did.
But that comes as no surprise.
 
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Thanks for the link. I was able to get an items that are not in my manuals - the wiring diagram for the 1984-1 remote.



I'm glad it was of some help.
When I looked at the other manuals available on that site, I noticed that there was available a lubrication chart for a 436. This I think shares the same basic mechanics as many other models.
I started a topic when I was looking for a lubrication chart for my machine. As there have been over 250 hits on that, I guess others were looking for one for theirs too, so I'll add the link and also a graphic, (in case the link disappears).
 
If you want an NSM manual, you've got to contact NSM and buy the manual. Good luck since NSM support is poor for their equipment.
 
Thanks for the heads up Ken.. Unfortunately the coolest Jukes out of the lot I was looking at were the NSMs. I picked up 2 and got one working, but I lack the technical manual on the other to tell me why one of the lights on the main board is dark.
 
No probs,

I'd never criticise anyone on here or any other message board for having an opinion on a topic. It's only when they start criticising me for having my own, or attempting to play "moderator" that I might come back at them.

As I see it, the guy is not achieving any pecuniary advantage by offering the facility of a "freebee" pdf download.
I've seen plenty of sites where re-printed manuals have been offered at around $50, (which is what I paid for mine) are these all "authorised?" I actually think the price is a bit steep.

I'd guess they've been available for a while on that site and if something was going to happen it would have happened already. Worst case I guess, would be that the guy would be asked to stop,
"Litigation" seems a pretty expensive and rather drastic step in the circumstances.

The only advantage it would give the website owner is to direct traffic to his sales site from internet searches...
I doubt litigation would occur but I wouldn't be surprised to see him sent a cease and desist letter... I will say that they probably would follow up with litigation if he refused to comply.
Even if they've been around on his site for a while they may have not drawn much attention. Posting them on a collector site can bring that attention... although not that many people visit this part of the forum, the webmaster of that site has attracted a lot of negative attention to himself in these forums, so I wouldn't be surprised if someone here reported him.

The reprints that go for 50 bucks could very well be legit, if you look at the victory glass website, some of the manuals are a bit pricey, if they are buying manuals from Victory, and reselling them at a markup, I could see them going for that amount...
 
I think it's under more the context of if you own them you are aloud to make a copy of your manual. just like owning a Microsoft OS you have the right to copy it for backup purposes

so hows that a bad thing?
Actually I don't believe that fair use/ archival purposes applies in printed materials.
That being said even if it did, it would allow you to copy yourself one copy of the publication from the publication that you own. It is still illegal to download a cd for archival purposes, but not illegal to "burn" a copy of your cd (and even that is still a legal gray area...)
Owning the juke itself doesn't give you the right to own the repair/service manual.
And above all of this, the webmaster doesn't have the right to distribute the publications, regardless of the intention of the downloaders.
 
Oh Dear!

The posting of the facility on another jukebox forum only prompted a response of "Thanks."
I wouldn't be worried about the people who do respond, I would be more worried about those who don't.
But that's fine, I don't have anything further to add to this, so I'll just say I wasn't trying to attack you personally, so I hope you didn't see it that way... Have a good day.
 
I just got a nasty email from a guy selling copyrighted Rowe jukebox manuals on a cd rom. He stated in no uncertain terms you can't copyright a service manual.

Well gee, why is it on the front page of the genuine factory Rowe jukebox service manuals I own that it says,

© Rowe International

Yes, COPYRIGHT Rowe International.

Evidently, Rowe International says you can because they (Rowe) have been copyrighting their service manuals for quite a while.
 
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