Fizgig banned - a civil discussion

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What the hell is going on here?! Why are you all talking like the guy is dead? He's just not a member of this forum anymore. How is that supposed to have any affect on his relationship with Rich at This Old Game? Rich doesn't post here anymore either.... Should we all pretend he's dead too? :confused:

Because folks fear he will retaliate by never releasing any more artwork?
 
First off, I have had no interactions with Fizgig. I don't keep up with the drama. Most of the time I enjoyed his restores and his projects. I wish I had the time, money, resources.... to dedicate to the hobby the way he did.

My question is.... where is all of the art work for all of the reproductions he has done? He had done what, 50+ restores? Where are all of the scanned works from NOS that he used to create his beautiful cabinets? Sure ToG has a few... and I am sure ToG will miss Fizgig for providing them with art files for all of the beautiful restores done.....but with all of the thousands of hours he has devoted to the hobby, it is a shame that more of the work was not shared so that we would all not have to go and repeat his work all over again. just my .02 cents.

The art is in his hands. It's not like he gives it away for free so anyone can get it printed. I think it's a safe assumption that he receives some sort of compensation for any artwork sold from his redrawings.
 
Because folks fear he will retaliate by never releasing any more artwork?

He already seems to have removed all of the images from his posts here, so perhaps that fear of retaliation is justified.

Not sure what the big deal is regarding the art, though. I don't doubt he did good work and has helped people who needed the artwork, but he can't have been the only guy in the hobby with a scanner, right?
 
He already seems to have removed all of the images from his posts here, so perhaps that fear of retaliation is justified.

Not sure what the big deal is regarding the art, though. I don't doubt he did good work and has helped people who needed the artwork, but he can't have been the only guy in the hobby with a scanner, right?

It's a LOT more work than just scanning. You have to color balance it, adjust colors for fading, manipulate the pieces into one big artwork picture, remove dirt/smudges/smears, fill in missing pieces, etc... vector it....
 
It's a LOT more work than just scanning. You have to color balance it, adjust colors for fading, manipulate the pieces into one big artwork picture, remove dirt/smudges/smears, fill in missing pieces, etc... vector it....

...All of which are fairly run-of-the-mill tasks for anybody who's played around with photoshop for any significant amount of time. Again, I'm not questioning the quality of fizgig's work at all or poo-pooing the time he put into it, I'm just a bit confused at the helplessness a few folks seem to be expressing about the idea that he won't be contributing anymore. If the work fizgig did will truly be missed as much as people say, then somebody else will step in sooner or later and fill the void.
 
...All of which are fairly run-of-the-mill tasks for anybody who's played around with photoshop for any significant amount of time. Again, I'm not questioning the quality of fizgig's work at all or poo-pooing the time he put into it, I'm just a bit confused at the helplessness a few folks seem to be expressing about the idea that he won't be contributing anymore. If the work fizgig did will truly be missed as much as people say, then somebody else will step in sooner or later and fill the void.

...but who the hell has time? I know I don't.
 
Because folks fear he will retaliate by never releasing any more artwork?

I don't know that it's that as much as his projects added a LOT to the restoration section. It was a lot of content that people loved to look at, most of which probably aren't speaking up. I'm sure Arcrevival as well as others will have to agree to disagree with me on this, but I think ego driven or not, his projects added a lot of substance to an otherwise often monotonous hobby and forum.

I'd personally rather strip and revinyl an Atari cabinet if it's not waterlogged, but I have no problem if someone else wants to build "new" games with only select pieces restored. Hell, I plan to build a replica ZK and Space Dungeon in the same way.

It seems counterintuitive to drive away significant "action" in a forum with too many price checks and threads about stripping paint or how to replace leg levelers.
 
Well, I think it sucks, it's unfortunately a common occurrence on message boards that when you have someone who the grognards don't like, they gang up so that he gets banned by attrition and none of them individually ring up enough violations to get punted. The admins are likely trying very hard to be reasonable, but there are rules that have to be enforced if they are going to matter, and the troll horde knows this. This is an exploit of common message board rules that there isn't really an objective solution to, that I know of.
 
Well, I think it sucks, it's unfortunately a common occurrence on message boards that when you have someone who the grognards don't like, they gang up so that he gets banned by attrition and none of them individually ring up enough violations to get punted.

There are plenty of people who got banned resulting from altercations with Fiz... Plenty of them. He was no saint, and I can't say he deserved or didn't deserve what he got, but I personally feel it was the right call, the use of the word "toxic" is spot on.

I have no doubt he will find somewhere else to showcase his stuff, probably to a much less critical audience, in the end I think everyone will be much happier.
 
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From what I have seen it was a "Poke the bear" situation. Everyone who poked the bear (fiz) and when he lashed out it was the bears fault. Time to put him down.

I'm not condoning what happened, nor know the extent of what went on behind the scene. But it seems like some chose to focus there energy on his weakness, which was criticism, constant criticism. Untill those that kept trolling him got exactly what they wanted, Him banned. Dunno what there was to gain but I can see what was lost.

Whatever, I'll miss his restoration/rebuilding threads.
Just my 2 cents.
 
I loved looking at his restores/reproduction threads or whatever you want call them. I get the whole new cabinet NOS argument thing though.

Regarding his artwork. There are people who do it, but he was at least one of the main ones and or at least one of the ones who kept himself in the limelight. It takes time though. Time most dont have or wish to spend on it.

I loved watching the custom artwork he was working on, whether or not he hired them out I didnt care, liked watching the steps involved.

As far as his ban. Its pretty simple, the internet is like being drunk, people dont have their normal filters on. It allows people to take their frustration out on others, internet tough guy approach. You have to have a thick skin, and just avoid the people who are trying to get a reaction out of you. Some people enjoy it. Some people seem to live for it. Its quite pathetic to be honest.

He broke the rules repeatedly and was therefore banned. It seems this last one was over a disagreement. Well, not everyone is going to agree with you, when you post a thread on negative feedback etc, not everyone will side with you or see it your way. Too bad it couldnt have worked out but sometimes thats life.
 
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Dan has been pretty busy the last few months with restores, so he's had a few artists helping him with some projects. I was one of them, so my opinion may be biased as we have a working relationship. That said, Dan has never been anything other than completely professional, friendly and courteous in all our dealings and he's, clearly, a huge asset to the arcade community. It's been a privilege getting to know him and to help create art for his fantastic cabinets, however you may choose to label them (restore vs reproduction). I know not everyone agrees, and I understand that in any forum there will be personality clashes, and cooler heads do NOT always prevail. I also know that I don't have knowledge of what goes on behind the scenes, but I've never Dan seen start out being disrepectful to anyone (except maybe Obama :)

Just my 2 cents. Your milage may vary. Offer void in Utah, etc, etc.
 
He already seems to have removed all of the images from his posts here, so perhaps that fear of retaliation is justified.

his content should be removed from this site , don't see a point to keep the threads if you ask a question and he's never be able to answer it.

or to the least lock all of them.
 
his content should be removed from this site , don't see a point to keep the threads if you ask a question and he's never be able to answer it.

or to the least lock all of them.
WTF?! Seriously? Are we Klingons?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYJmFOxNew0


You are acting like Fizgig is Herostratus and set fire to the temple of Artemis.
 
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WTF?! Seriously? Are we Klingons?

i guess common sense is lost these days.

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Seems like he's only nice when he's getting what he wants...


Dan has been pretty busy the last few months with restores, so he's had a few artists helping him with some projects. I was one of them, so my opinion may be biased as we have a working relationship. That said, Dan has never been anything other than completely professional, friendly and courteous in all our dealings and he's, clearly, a huge asset to the arcade community. It's been a privilege getting to know him and to help create art for his fantastic cabinets, however you may choose to label them (restore vs reproduction). I know not everyone agrees, and I understand that in any forum there will be personality clashes, and cooler heads do NOT always prevail. I also know that I don't have knowledge of what goes on behind the scenes, but I've never Dan seen start out being disrepectful to anyone (except maybe Obama :)

Just my 2 cents. Your milage may vary. Offer void in Utah, etc, etc.
 
Again, I have limited understanding of the whole picture, but I think a better way to look at is (from where I'm standing, anyway) he's nice when people aren't being deliberately antagonistic to him (not implying that YOU are, or have been). That just makes him human. It's hardly a unique characteristic amongst people, and I'm just not certain it's ban-worthy.


Seems like he's only nice when he's getting what he wants...
 
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