Fizgig banned - a civil discussion

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There's just a handful of people here that badgered him as you put it, out of thousands of collectors. Do you really think that purist collectors will be buying inkjet arts for their dedicated cabs anyway?

I stand by my comments -- that's childish behavior.

Yeah duane you oughta just cut now. You have nothing to offer anyone here except a bitter foreshadowing of how you will act if your feelings get hurt.
 
There's just a handful of people here that badgered him as you put it, out of thousands of collectors. Do you really think that purist collectors will be buying inkjet arts for their dedicated cabs anyway?

I stand by my comments -- that's childish behavior.

When thats all thats available yes they do and will. EDOT and many many more like mad planets, krull etc what are you going to use? And why not it will out last all of us unless its infront a giant window and even screen print wont make it.
Youre intitled to our opinion, kick me out the game , my glove leaves the ball field with me sorry...
 
Yeah duane you oughta just cut now. You have nothing to offer anyone here except a bitter foreshadowing of how you will act if your feelings get hurt.

You see I dont act on feelings and emotion, they make for horrible choices. You will never see emotion from me here. Never a name call or put down , never a threat, if I type something I intend to follow through. Sorry put downs , name calling, cussing, violence, thats the tools of the ignorant. I will help if someone asks me. Im not spending countless hours on art for free, sorry if that offends you sir
have a great night all!
 
basically is that people online are big and tough behind the keyboard but in the real world they would never talk to someone like face to face. [i hope]

Seems like you might be on to something...

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Yeah duane you oughta just cut now. You have nothing to offer anyone here except a bitter foreshadowing of how you will act if your feelings get hurt.

I already " cut " sir, my art stays with me, my cnc parts stay with me
have a great night!
 
So to be clear: Fiz was not to blame for being a dick, it was the people who "made him that way" by being insanely jealous of his huge bank account? WTF?

The word Jealous got thrown around a lot by Kaneda too, as a way to rationalize why everyone thought he was a dick. For the record, I'm not jealous of anybody on this forum. But I still call a spade a spade. There are guys one here with incredible collections/arcades etc that are not douche's, no one piles onto them and "pokes the bear" to get them banned out of jealousy. What made Fiz so special? Same thing that made Kaneda so special I reckon. A massive ego and a drive fueled by a narcissistic need for universal admiration, combined with a complete lack of respect for others and an inability to accept anyone with a different perspective.

The mis-use of the word restoration is a minor detail in why this man was deemed unworthy of these boards and is a point that's really not worth debating, no one is going to convince anyone on the opposite side that their perspective is the "right" perspective, simple as that.

But on the other hand, it's good that this tired subject is being battled out one last time in this thread, and it's comforting to know that there will not be another "XXXXX: A FizGig RESTORATION" thread coming out tomorrow that will trigger the exact same debate all over again. From my perspective, that makes this forum a MUCH better place.

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I think he brought much more to the hobby.

I'm not being facetious here. This is a serious question. What exactly did he bring to the hobby ? I keep seeing people talk about what he gave to the community. The only thing I personally remember being for sale were the Rampage cpo's. I am guessing there is a lot more than that ? I read about how he scanned art. Is it available to people who want to print it ? Was it only made available to TOG ?
 
I already " cut " sir, my art stays with me, my cnc parts stay with me
have a great night![/



I was with you on the ff shipping fiasco. Darin packs his art leaving something to be desired. and I've told him so. I would NEVER pack things the way he does.

Clearly you have checked out of the community. You are still on the forum though for some reason. You aren't the only one that ever did things for free on here. It wasn't a huge deal, but I spent $200 getting wacko freeplay roms made and gave them all away with free shipping.
 
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When thats all thats available yes they do and will. EDOT and many many more like mad planets, krull etc what are you going to use? And why not it will out last all of us unless its infront a giant window and even screen print wont make it.
Youre intitled to our opinion, kick me out the game , my glove leaves the ball field with me sorry...

Ignoring the "kick me out of the game" comment which I think is seriously misguided, the point that you're missing is that maybe 5 people harassed him here over destroying cabs and slapping NOS parts on the new ones. Maybe 5 out of what, a thousand people here alone?

When you expand that to all of the collectors, you're talking about multiple thousands.

Now because of what 5 people were harassing him about, he'll take his art offline so that none of the multiple thousands can use it?

I think that's childish.

For what it's worth, I didn't find his restoration/duplication efforts outrageous myself; I really enjoyed viewing his threads of "like new" cabinets, something I hadn't seen firsthand since BITD. I think we had a couple of interactions and all were pleasant -- I like the guy, I have no beef with him.
 
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At the end of the day, I could play any one of Fizgig's machines just as well as I could an "Original" in "restored" but not "reproduced" shape. However, I can be sure Fizgig's would look a lot better. So I would be totally fine and very happy with having an arcade room full of Fizgig "reproductions."

And you know what? I guarantee...I GUARANTEE...that if I said nothing about it, invited several local collectors over for a party, and then while they were playing the games, told them they were...ohmygosh..."Fizgig Reproductions", I know exactly what they'd do!

They'd let go of the joysticks and stop playing!


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Hah, fooled ya. F' that! They would keep on playing. Not everyone is so anal about mdf/plywood/particle board boxes. I know I am not.

Hell, Fizgig would save me a lot of time restoring cabinets if took over my collection for me. Time I could spend with my family, hiking, actually playing the games, etc. I'd name my arcade "Fizgig's Arcade Extreme 5000 Times Better Than You" if he wanted. I'd pay for the sign lol.

I really just don't care anymore. I "restore" a game because of 3 reasons: 1) I don't have a CNC nor good enough tools, 2) I'm a cheap bastard, and 3) I don't have the time or skill to do a total overhaul from the floor up. If I could/wanted to, I would.

I'm getting to the point where if I go over another collector's house I don't care if they're all mint or what's not original or whether they used a new cab. I just care that they're working. That's all. I'm there to play them. Nothing more. Nothing less.

That's my take on the whole deal.

Now to contribute a bit more, I've seen the word asshole and dick thrown around in this thread so I think it's about time this was posted:

 
If this was even remotely close to a comparison? Cheap joysticks, I think he brought much more to the hobby. Bring him back? If I was him I wouldnt come back would you? I would do exactly what he is doing and I believe most on here if not all would do the same.

Once again you totally miss the point. This wasn't a hypothetical post. It did happen and it was my mother. Not so much of a joke now is it?
 
Pulling his images from his previous posts speak volumes about the guy. The removal of the photos is indefensible and incredibly childish.

#1 he's banned never coming back here.
#2 he took all the pictures you didn't.
#3 why would the community that banned him get to the enjoy the fruits of his labor?
#4 the artwork that was on TOG was the one he produced and corrected with his money so why should you or anyone else enjoy that?

speaks more about the people here that want to have there cake and eat it too!
 
We all know about the games he trashed to make new ones, but did he contribute anything ?

Even if the only thing he "contributed" was the Rampage CPO you mentioned, that's still a more tangible contribution than 99% of the people in this forum have offered, isn't it?

Very few contribute contribute actual products they have had a hand in creating. Others here contribute knowledge, some contribute parts for sale, some contribute advice, and some contribute inspiration to the rest of us to keep working on our own projects... if nothing else I would put fizgig squarely in that last category. People, myself included, would see his results and be inspired to do great work on their own games. Even if I don't use or approve of his methods I could still admire his results. Everyone understands that you have no respect for what fizgig did, you find it impossible to admire his results because you hate his methods, and don't see him as a contributor on any level, but if others felt he contributed to the site and to the hobby, then he did, period.

Personally I find the restore/reproduce debate an interesting one, but the problem is the notion that either fizgig or ArcRevival represent anything close to a moderate position on either side. Both are the ridiculous extreme of each side here... Fiz would seemingly trash an easily-repairable cabinet in favor of a newly built perfect one, while Arc acts like destroying a mass-produced arcade cabinet barely 30 years old is essentially like jackhammering the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. One thing I will say for fizgig is that he had his opinion, but he rarely expressed any delusions that everybody had to share that opinion in order to be an arcade enthusiast.
 
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Yep I would , If i contributed the way I see he did and I got kicked out the game all my equipment leaves with me, after seeing this I have already changed my thinking about giving freely anything i reproduce. Sorry thats just reality

Reality is he could've allowed his art to be reproduced under a revenue sharing agreement and just laughed at the community as he made money off of them.

fizgig banned but the guy spouting his hatred/disgust of jews still an upstanding member...

Is the guy spouting hatred/disgust posting it outside of the P&R forum? If so, where?

One member that posts that crap is doing it only in the P&R section and it took about 30 pages of one thread just to get him to realize the stupidity of his posts. :)
 
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