Fizgig banned - a civil discussion

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If you had two games both the same price. One was mint never been worked on, all original , and the other game looked as good, but had the whole cab rebuilt. Which one would you take?

I think his work looks great. I am a fan of them, but they are clones or tributes, not an original.
 
Hello pot, meet kettle.


Seriously, if that was the reason he was banned then I fail to see why you're here. Nothing against you personally but wherever there was fizgig spouting off (except for this recent eXidy debacle) it seemed as though you weren't far off.

The one thing I can and will say, is now that Fizgig is gone hopefully you'll shut up at least a little bit with all of your preaching.

His account was banned because he broke the rules here constantly and earned infractions. If Dave "spouted off" in his threads, he must have not broken any rules or if he did, the infractions were minor. Dave is no stranger to infractions here either.

At the end of the day, he's not the first guy to rack up the needed points for a perm ban and he wont be the last.
 
If you had two games both the same price. One was mint never been worked on, all original , and the other game looked as good, but had the whole cab rebuilt. Which one would you take?

I think his work looks great. I am a fan of them, but they are clones or tributes, not an original.

Why in the hell are you beating this dead horse? One mans version of preservation is not the other mans. Your personal view is not "thee way".

Move on man
 
Why in the hell are you beating this dead horse? One mans version of preservation is not the other mans. Your personal view is not "thee way".

Move on man

Umm... Tombo I think you quoted the wrong guy with this post. I think it was meant for Arc. Assuming of course you've read the last few pages of this thread. ;)
 
Umm... Tombo I think you quoted the wrong guy with this post. I think it was meant for Arc. Assuming of course you've read the last few pages of this thread. ;)

Same could be said for kkcloak :p While this debate is tiresome, there's been little to no name calling or threatening. So, let's all have a round of applause for ourselves for keeping it civil.
 
Same could be said for kkcloak :p While this debate is tiresome, there's been little to no name calling or threatening. So, let's all have a round of applause for ourselves for keeping it civil.

well we decided to use our "big boy" words to keep it clean and simple ;)
 
I myself am quite confused as many here may be. I fail to see how a latex rollered cabinet is restored. The idea of going through the trouble to get screen printed art for a roller painted cabinet baffles me. I think to each his own, I also fail to see how anyone has been " forced " into fiz'z view of it as has been stated here. The games he made , replica'd or whatever your view is are preserved in a way most will never get the chance to ever see them , kind of as they were made. It to me is a branch of games. There are many in average condition. Some here are fortunate enough to own games in near mint shape and its great to see them that way too, what a way to look back into the past, fiz'z stuff shows how they might have looked before ever used, its inspiring to see them just as it is some of the great finds I have seen members here get lucky enough to collect. All positive. If he had destroyed a game where only 2 exist, I can see the complaints. Hundreds maybe thousands and the one he did wasnt mint? Simply my opinion.
 
The reason you guys are confused is because you keep having this off-topic debate about restorations vs. reproductions. If you'd read the admin and moderators posts it's pretty obvious that none of that really matters to them as far as keeping an account active. They just want members to be more respectful to each other.
 
Hello pot, meet kettle.


Seriously, if that was the reason he was banned then I fail to see why you're here. Nothing against you personally but wherever there was fizgig spouting off (except for this recent eXidy debacle) it seemed as though you weren't far off.

The one thing I can and will say, is now that Fizgig is gone hopefully you'll shut up at least a little bit with all of your preaching.

I have come pretty close to being permabanned and for all I know I am on the edge again. I may be preachy, but I don't pm people and tell them to go fuck themselves and call them pieces of shit, die in a fire , etc, etc, like Fizgig did.
 
I have come pretty close to being permabanned and for all I know I am on the edge again. I may be preachy, but I don't pm people and tell them to go fuck themselves and call them pieces of shit, die in a fire , etc, etc, like Fizgig did.

Isnt a PM a private message?
 
The reason you guys are confused is because you keep having this off-topic debate about restorations vs. reproductions. If you'd read the admin and moderators posts it's pretty obvious that none of that really matters to them as far as keeping an account active. They just want members to be more respectful to each other.

well actually its all the nagging in his threads or pm or email that might of contributed him to lash off at some.

because if everyone would just concentrate on the game itself and ignore that whole restoration vs creation aspect it might of never happened in the 1st place and he would still be here or maybe not.

i do understand he broke rules and got warnings but if they left him alone none of this would of happened ;)
 
If Im not mistaken I read in the explantion that his games were not restorations and the conflicts.
 
well actually its all the nagging in his threads or pm or email that might of contributed him to lash off at some.

because if everyone would just concentrate on the game itself and ignore that whole restoration vs creation aspect it might of never happened in the 1st place and he would still be here or maybe not.

i do understand he broke rules and got warnings but if they left him alone none of this would of happened ;)

At some point as a legal adult, isn't it reasonable for people to be responsible for how they behave?
 
I think his work looks great. I am a fan of them, but they are clones or tributes, not an original.


This is a modern day Ship of Theseus. Far greater men than you or I have debated this very topic for centuries :-D There is no definitive answer as to whether its a clone or original, it's completely subjective.
 
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The whole recreation restore aspect is not a good debate. He was Bruce Wayne and wanted perfect games. Enough said as it was his money and time.

The same happens with cars, pinballs, etc. No one bashes High End Pinballs which is probably 3/4 repro and new cabs with top $$$ charged. His games were 1/4 original and 3/4 perfect reproduction cabs/parts and new monitors. Not a big deal to myself but it upset others.

As with any forum there are trolls etc. to fuel fights and if you do not know when to back away you will have trouble.

Dan I hope all is well, you have a collection of games that most would want in their private arcades and I am sure it was an expensive venture. Going over the top is fine if your pockets are deep. The balance is retaining dignity and knowing when to take the high road with others who do not see your vision.

Enjoy and move on or to another forum or blog.

Michael
 
At some point as a legal adult, isn't it reasonable for people to be responsible for how they behave?

true, but i have another for you.

do you behave on-line the same way you would if someone would right in your face?

example :i make arcade cabinet on-line and sell them and i have a store front also to sell my games.

you keep sending email about how my work is $hit and not done correctly..etc.....

by chance i see you at place of buisness and you keep being in face and i go and punch your lights out.

who's to blame the guy who got punch in the face or the person that threw the punch or is my ISP responsible for not harassment?
 
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true, but i have another for you.

do you behave on-line the same way you would if someone would right in your face?

example :i make arcade cabinet on-line and sell them and i have a store front also to sell my games.

you keep sending email about how my work is $hit and not done correctly..etc.....

by chance i see you at place of buisness and you keep being in face and i go and punch your lights out.

who's to blame the guy who got punch in the face or the person that threw the punch or is my ISP responsible for not harassment?
I couldn't really understand what you are saying. But if a guy is going to shoot off at the mouth he should be prepared to eat one. Additionally, the guy that can't control himself and throws the punch should be prepared for arrest and a lawsuit.
 
The reason you guys are confused is because you keep having this off-topic debate about restorations vs. reproductions. If you'd read the admin and moderators posts it's pretty obvious that none of that really matters to them as far as keeping an account active. They just want members to be more respectful to each other.

It matters/is relevant because all the damn drama and trolling in his threads from people who either hated his methods or were jealous of his apparent disposable income obviously escalated things and put him on the defensive.
 
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