First tests: better than 60-in-1?

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Hello, again.

I'm now in the process of adapting my Android MAME build "Crazy Tilt Arcade Challenge" for use in arcade cabinets. As always, I'm looking for experienced arcade gamers to provide their valuable feedback. Anyone willing to do more and invest say a few hours per day to help me test can get their name in the splash screen credits, next to mine and that of MAME developers, if you'd like that.

Download on Google Play (Android Market):
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.CrazyTilt


I made first tests myself with Samsung Galaxy S and its analog video-out via '3.5mm jack to RCA' connection, YouTube video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGA9w6US8vQ



I will also test it with two tablets via their HDMI video-out ports, but they came without the cable so that has to wait until the next time. And for the next time I will also make it complete, that is connect this to CRT and actual arcade controls inside one of my cabinets.

In the meantime, I'd like to hear what you think. I am doing this to replace 60-in-1 PCB that runs in that small arcade cabinet next to my LCD-TV you can see in the video. I also think there are many reasons why anyone here would consider to do the same, so if you have nothing better to do, let's talk about it...


PROS:
- more games, better sound, you can take it out of the cabinet and play it while sitting on toilet or wherever on the go, it has on-line world wide scoreboard for all, it is (soon will be) as simple to use as 60-in-1.

CONS:
- no analog RGB video as android devices use only composite RCA (via 3.5 audio jack) or digital HDMI, however this is also advantage from another point of view - considering you can find normal CRT-TVs much cheaper and easier than arcade monitor, or if you already switched to LCD in which case HDMI is perfect fit for you.


What do you think, any other pros or cons?
 
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So are you the asshat that spammed me on mameworld.info?

Mr. CAST

If you are ass-mouth called 'DrArcade', then I did send you a private message saying this:

- "Unfortunately your forum-police think you should not know about the information I wanted to share with everyone, for some reason. However, I believe you should at least have the freedom to decide for yourself whether you wish to ignore something or not, so instead of to have a public discussion on this forum (the thread was deleted) you are receiving this private message with a link so you have the option to see that information elsewhere..."


What's your problem, what do you want? You hate to know? You prefer censorship and someone else do the thinking for you, decide what you should know and what you should not know, what you can and can not talk about, huh? Go back to your forum then, and I am sorry for disturbing you, I didn't know plain "news" could upset anyone.

If you would still prefer to troll and express your frustration or anger, for whatever strange reason, please go over to my forum: http://smf.webng.com/crazytilt/

...so we can spare these people here of your nightmares and talk about ARCADE GAMES, that's what I want, that's why I'm here. So, if you don't mind that, please let us be.
 
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Well first of all page 1

2nd nobody should discourage a new arcade related device, but the lack of RGB is a big turn off for probably most of the people on klov.

Nobody wants to put LCD's in their cabs. So I can't see this a being better than a 60-1
 
Actually I detest spam, <s>but I'll offer a one time apology to you if you are NOT vabder ,abracadabra or any of your other aliases.</s> Just re-read your message. Ass-mouth eh? I never spammed you. You spammed me. You seem to hide behind a LOT of different aliases.

Nothing in my profile, nothing in my posts, Nothing you could ever read about me, would show I have any interest in Android Mame, etc, like the link you PM'd me.

So how about the next time you feel the need to spam people (me in particular) you target your audience a little better?

Additionally I have no problem with forum censorship, banning people, locking threads etc. Most forums are not public democracies, they are privately owned, and therefore not open to 100% free speech and subject to the owners and mods whims and wishes.

Mr. CAST
 
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I have a first gen droid. Love anything new and interesting in the game world.
I'll check it out.

so somehow i'll be able to interface with my jamma connector that manages the controls on my mame machine with an LCD?
 
OK, I got it loaded up.

The main menu just scrolls through the menu of games. It doesn't seem to be reading the sensor correctly. I couldn't find a calibration for leveling the phone either. workaround is to only have 1 rom at a time loaded?

Once you are in a game like Star Wars. How do you coin it up so you can start a game?
the screen looks pretty neat if i could coin it up.
 
2nd nobody should discourage a new arcade related device, but the lack of RGB is a big turn off for probably most of the people on klov.

Nobody wants to put LCD's in their cabs. So I can't see this a being better than a 60-1

I agree. I don't want LCD in my cabinets either, however I see a lot of people on this forum and probably more so on BYOAC who are looking to replace busted arcade monitors, and LCDs seem to become more and more popular choice, and as the time goes it will be more about necessity than about the choice. In any case, when your arcade monitor is busted you basically have 3 choices for replacement:

1.) Arcade monitor, rare & expensive, becomes more rare and probably more expensive

2.) CRT TV w/ SCART, S-Video or composite RCA, plenty of those still around, cheap

3.) LCD+Analog-Digital converter, becomes cheaper and lighter, and so very convenient


I'm lucky that I'm in New Zealand so I can buy TVs with SCART for as little as $5 bucks. They can take RGB signal directly from almost any arcade PCB, but I can also feed them composite via RCA cable, so it's zero trouble for me to make this swap.

There is a question of quality you get via RGB vs. RCA, but I couldn't notice any degradation, it looks a bit different, not really worse nor better than with 60-in-1, I'd say, but that's exactly kind of thing I'd like to talk about here and see what other people think and if anyone else can see any difference at all.


The point is, 2nd choice is much better than the 3rd, but lot's of people don't have access to SCART TVs and otherwise they'll need some converter, so majority then seem to either cash out for the arcade monitor, or go for the convenience and with LCD monitor. -- Having an option to directly output composite RCA this mobileMAME on particular Android devices makes the 2nd choice much more accessible. In that sense it's not directly competing with 60-in-1 PCB, but rather gives you some different setup options that I think are optimum between availability, price and quality.

Hell, Samsung Galaxy S is a good phone, it's worth having even if you just gonna use it as a phone and play only Fruit Ninja and Angry Birds on it. Which reminds me, not only could you play arcade games on this arcade cabinet setup, but also all the Android games, and PlayStation emulator, N64, C64, Amiga... and did I mention global world wide scoreboard, for all.


BOTTOM LINE:
- If you have empty cabinet with busted monitor and busted PCB, or making a cabinet from scratch (like me), I think you are much better off buying yourself Samsung Galaxy S and cheap CRT-TV to make this particular setup, rather than to buy 60-in-1 and cash out for arcade monitor, as you would get better and much more for cheaper, or for about the same price.
 
1500points,

I greatly appreciate your feedback. Over hundred people downloaded it within a week, but no one is really posting scores online and I don't know why, maybe they all play off-line or they are not able to set it up for some reason, so thank you again for taking your time which will save me a lot of time hunting down those bugs. And in return I will solve all the problems related to your particular device(s).


OK, I got it loaded up.
The main menu just scrolls through the menu of games. It doesn't seem to be reading the sensor correctly. I couldn't find a calibration for leveling the phone either.

I know what you are talking about. It's because of sensor needs initialization at start-up and vibration can screw it up on some phones because its set ON by default. Try just holding the phone vertical and still, wait without pressing anything then gradually see if those arrows at the top correspond to your movement without any delay.

Once the program becomes responsive go to Menu->Settings and turn Vibration-feedback OFF, that should solve the problem. Later on you may try to enable it again after you start some game, but if you see a lag disable Vibration until I find a way to make it work on every phone.


Once you are in a game like Star Wars. How do you coin it up so you can start a game?
the screen looks pretty neat if i could coin it up.

Default input mapping is:
Button 1 - Volume UP
Button 2 - Volume DOWN

COIN - Back
START - Search


You can re-map buttons in Setting menu.


What phone is yours? If the screen size is small (320x240) you will need to turn on "Image Smoothing" and scale it to "Fit Screen" or "Aspect Ratio".

Some phones have FPS limit of 57fps or 54fps built in kernel, so if your phone is fast enough but you still see game glitching and stuttering, then you need to change the setting from 60fps to 50fps, which is just an ugly work around until I make the program recognize these things and handle the game speed appropriately, instead of just skipping frames which causes jittery scroll.


so somehow i'll be able to interface with my jamma connector that manages the controls on my mame machine with an LCD?

Yes, kind of. You could run a separate wire for video and use JAMMA just for controls, or you could take a soldering iron and make video connections directly via JAMMA too.

Connecting video is lesser problem, you usually get the cable with the device or can buy one anywhere cheaply, but for controls you need adapter, which is also not a problem as you can make it, or buy it cheaply as well, only you need to find a special shop that makes them so you might have to order it on line.


Anyhow, I'm looking forward to get it working on your phone, so I can beat your records and take your tokens!! -- Do you know there will be a feature where these "virtual on-line machines" will pay all the tokens to the winner at the end of each 24 hours... what a twist, eh?
 
Actually I detest spam, <s>but I'll offer a one time apology to you if you are NOT vabder ,abracadabra or any of your other aliases.</s> Just re-read your message. Ass-mouth eh? I never spammed you. You spammed me. You seem to hide behind a LOT of different aliases.

Nothing in my profile, nothing in my posts, Nothing you could ever read about me, would show I have any interest in Android Mame, etc, like the link you PM'd me.

So how about the next time you feel the need to spam people (me in particular) you target your audience a little better?

Additionally I have no problem with forum censorship, banning people, locking threads etc. Most forums are not public democracies, they are privately owned, and therefore not open to 100% free speech and subject to the owners and mods whims and wishes.

Mr. CAST

Can we forget the past and be friends now? -- In any case, since you're already here, let me try to interest you in the subject from a lightly different perspective....

How do you think "mobile MAME" in general compares to desktop PC MAME considering desktop computers could even today be replaced with phones and tablets, and soon they will be fast and cheap enough for anyone to get rid of that bulky "desktop PC thing" for good. All you really need is input port for keyboard/mouse and video out for larger display when you are using it at home.

In other words, is the future of MAME destined to move to mobile platforms, like everything else? And because of the popularity and exposure mobile devices are getting compared to "boring" PC market, shouldn't that move be done sooner rather than later?
 
How did this dude get on here? I thought you had to donate to sign up, or someone had to vouch for you.

Tighe, really? Come on Dude. Check out his link. that's some seriously cool stuff going on. Gaming from the phone is huge. This is brilliant stuff.

Anyway, I have that first motorola droid. you know the classic one that slides open and it says Droid!

I'll start taking a closer look over the long weekend.
 
How do you think "mobile MAME" in general compares to desktop PC MAME considering desktop computers could even today be replaced with phones and tablets, and soon they will be fast and cheap enough for anyone to get rid of that bulky "desktop PC thing" for good. All you really need is input port for keyboard/mouse and video out for larger display when you are using it at home.

In other words, is the future of MAME destined to move to mobile platforms, like everything else? And because of the popularity and exposure mobile devices are getting compared to "boring" PC market, shouldn't that move be done sooner rather than later?

As I stated in your other thread about the same thing, you do realize that most everybody here is a collector of enormous, bulky full-sized arcade machines, right? I'm sure some people here will like your idea, but this is an arcade machine collecting forum.

And for around a hundred bucks, you can just order one of these and MAME away wherever you go:

http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/retro-gaming/e5ef/

I know your version is different, but you're talking to the wrong market.
 
I agree. I don't want LCD in my cabinets either, however I see a lot of people on this forum and probably more so on BYOAC who are looking to replace busted arcade monitors, and LCDs seem to become more and more popular choice, and as the time goes it will be more about necessity than about the choice. In any case, when your arcade monitor is busted you basically have 3 choices for replacement

you're forgetting what most of us do when we have a monitor not working. Cap Kit $5

This forum is much more about repairing and restoring arcade games. Whatever I can't fix, I learn how to from the members on this forum.

Your device would be better discussed in another forum. You will find very few people interested in something like this here.
 
Can we forget the past and be friends now? -- In any case, since you're already here, let me try to interest you in the subject from a lightly different perspective....

I can certainly move past it ;)

I appreciate the attempt, but I don't own a smartphone. Just a plain, instant on, instant dial, no MMS (SMS only) cell phone.

Mr. CAST
 
I can certainly move past it ;)

I appreciate the attempt, but I don't own a smartphone. Just a plain, instant on, instant dial, no MMS (SMS only) cell phone.

Mr. CAST

Ok, I'm glad we sorted that out.

Did you see game-play video? It's like playing with mind control! Some people thought that was impossible and that I made some trick with the video. -- Track and Field, run by shaking the phone! Come on, that must tickle your fancy just a little bit?!?
 
you're forgetting what most of us do when we have a monitor not working. Cap Kit $5

This forum is much more about repairing and restoring arcade games. Whatever I can't fix, I learn how to from the members on this forum.

Your device would be better discussed in another forum. You will find very few people interested in something like this here.

I find your lack of interest surprising. If you are capable of doing stuff like that yourself then what I'm talking about you could do for breakfast, just for the fun of it... because it's about ARCADE GAMES, if for nothing else.

If I am not talking to the right people here, then I should go and cry for wasting my time thinking I could make something cool every ARCADE GAME enthusiast would at least find interesting to check out.


For the love of drugs it's about *arcade games*, how could you not care? Hehehee! I know, you have better things to do, and that's fine, but I think you wrongly assume you are in majority here. In any case let's wait and see, it's worth a try for me as I can't test everything myself, and I'd like it to be perfect, that's all.
 
As I stated in your other thread about the same thing, you do realize that most everybody here is a collector of enormous, bulky full-sized arcade machines, right? I'm sure some people here will like your idea, but this is an arcade machine collecting forum.

And for around a hundred bucks, you can just order one of these and MAME away wherever you go:

http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/retro-gaming/e5ef/

I know your version is different, but you're talking to the wrong market.

I don't know any other place where I can find people more competent to help me out perfect the gameplay and emulation of arcade games. I also thought the same people would be equally enthusiastic about it, wrongly perhaps.


Just try it for 5 minutes and you will not play any of your cabinets for the next few weeks, it's that much fun!! It's not like I'm asking you to move my house, I'm asking you to have fun for the love of drugs! Come on, cheer up, relax and lets play some Pac-Man and Donkey Kong, let's see How High Can You Try, eh?


I challenge you to a duel in Donkey Kong, tomorrow noon.

Do you accept the challenge?
 
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