Explain to me the appeal of Billy Mitchell

[XtraSmiley]

Again, it isn't about high scores, or having empathy about high scores. It has nothing to do with high scores. It's about not giving a person a pass who DISHONESTLY represented himself, and took something that wasn't his.

I don't care if he stole a gumball. If he knowingly and willingly lied about it (and would not own up to it when caught on top of it), THAT is the issue for the people who dislike him.

The honesty and personal character are the issue, NOT the high scores. If someone is dishonest this way about something as meaningless as high scores, I would never want that wolf anywhere near my henhouse, as they have proven they are the type of person to only look out for himself, and have no concern for the people around them.

And I would never want someone I cared about exposed to that type of person, as that is not a person who will look out for you (or any other people around them) when push comes to shove. A narcissist only cares about himself, and his ego.

From what you're saying, at the end of the day, you're willing to give his entertainment value more weight than his dishonesty, and that's your right. But understand that many other people do not.

No, my point is I'm giving him (and MANY others) a pass because they are entertaining to me or provide entertainment to me. You are super sensitive about the high score thing. You say you are not, but you are. How can I prove it? Simple, are you honestly going to tell me EVERY thing you enjoy in life comes from someone who is 100% honest? I bet if we looked at some of the things you consume for entertainment (music probably being the easiest), I'm SURE we can find someone who has cheated someone, done drugs causing other's pain, stolen, SOMETHING, yet you probably ignore that and still enjoy your entertainment. Hell if you wear JEANS at some point they were being made by slave labor children in a third world country. I bet you still wore jeans or bought them.

Come on, it's about video games and high scores. That's why you're sensitive about this. If it was really about one dude you never interact with in real life lying about a video game score and his honesty, you'd hate a billion things in life and never leave your house...

Can we just admit that much?

 

[XtraSmiley]

And you really would give this much f's about a guy who stole a gumball?

I think you are sensitive about Billy for video game reasons. Or else you are the world's greatest person, who is perfect, and you must have god knows how much stress even being on the same planet as a bunch of us ass-holes right?

I'm not saying you should marry off your daughter to Billy or anything, I'm just saying, if they make a King of Kong 2, don't be a stick in the mud and go check it out!

 

[coinopper]

I'm just saying, if they make a King of Kong 2, don't be a stick in the mud and go check it out!

Why should he? Why should anyone? There are others more deserving of your attention and money - those who are honorable and respectable people. Mitchell is not one of them.

 

[Tufnel]

It's about not giving a person a pass who DISHONESTLY represented himself, and took something that wasn't his.
.

hes a cartoon character.

literally.

makes about as much sense as getting mad because Wile E coyote tries to blow up the roadrunner.

 

[XtraSmiley]

hes a cartoon character.

literally.

makes about as much sense as getting mad because Wile E coyote tries to blow up the roadrunner.

This guy gets it!

 

[XtraSmiley]

Why should he? Why should anyone? There are others more deserving of your attention and money - those who are honorable and respectable people. Mitchell is not one of them.

Well, I guess that's your opinion and I won't be mad at you for skipping out on the movie. Can you do the same this direction? For those of us that think he's entertaining and think KoK would have sucked with out Billy, and also if they make a second one, would also see it?

 

[andrewb]

No, my point is I'm giving him (and MANY others) a pass because they are entertaining to me or provide entertainment to me. You are super sensitive about the high score thing. You say you are not, but you are. How can I prove it? Simple, are you honestly going to tell me EVERY thing you enjoy in life comes from someone who is 100% honest? I bet if we looked at some of the things you consume for entertainment (music probably being the easiest), I'm SURE we can find someone who has cheated someone, done drugs causing other's pain, stolen, SOMETHING, yet you probably ignore that and still enjoy your entertainment. Hell if you wear JEANS at some point they were being made by slave labor children in a third world country. I bet you still wore jeans or bought them.

Come on, it's about video games and high scores. That's why you're sensitive about this. If it was really about one dude you never interact with in real life lying about a video game score and his honesty, you'd hate a billion things in life and never leave your house...

Can we just admit that much?

Ok, so you're either intentionally strawmanning here, or truly not understanding, as it doesn't feel like you're getting the point, and are still trying to make it something that it isn't.

If you lie to me, then you double down on the lie when caught (which is really the crux of the issue, as personally I could even forgive a lie in some cases, depending on the circumstances), that tells me your character. And no, NOT everyone is like that.

(And trying to minimize it by saying 'everyone does it' is another logical fallacy on your part. Google 'argumentum ad populum'.)

Intentionally try to deceive me (or anyone I know), and I will not do business with you, or have any personal relationship with you. You can make your own rules for you, but those are mine for me.

 

[XtraSmiley]

Ok, so you're either intentionally strawmanning here, or truly not understanding, as it doesn't feel like you're getting the point, and are still trying to make it something that it isn't.

If you lie to me, then you double down on the lie when caught (which is really the crux of the issue, as personally I could even forgive a lie in some cases, depending on the circumstances), that tells me your character. And no, NOT everyone is like that.

(And trying to minimize it by saying 'everyone does it' is another logical fallacy on your part. Google 'argumentum ad populum'.)

Intentionally try to deceive me (or anyone I know), and I will not do business with you, or have any personal relationship with you. You can make your own rules for you, but those are mine for me.

Well, I guess we'll have to say we can agree to disagree on BM. THIS thread however poses a question, why is BM appealing?

I stated why I find him entertaining. You want to firmly state why you'd NEVER do business with him or have a personal relationship with him.

OK, got it. XtraSmiley thinks a cartoon character is entertaining and for that reason is appealing, andrewb is so angry at a guy who lies about a video game high score (even when caught in a lie, he won't admit it), he will not be entertained by that person ever again, or make a deal with him, or have a personal relationship with him etc etc.

Does that sum it up?

 

[andrewb]

Well, I guess we'll have to say we can agree to disagree on BM. THIS thread however poses a question, why is BM appealing?

I stated why I find him entertaining. You want to firmly state why you'd NEVER do business with him or have a personal relationship with him.

OK, got it. XtraSmiley thinks a cartoon character is entertaining and for that reason is appealing, andrewb is so angry at a guy who lies about a video game high score (even when caught in a lie, he won't admit it), he will not be entertained by that person ever again, or make a deal with him, or have a personal relationship with him etc etc.

Does that sum it up?

Not sure where you're getting angry from.

If you don't understand why a person who intentionally deceives others is bad for any group they are a part of (and doesn't deserve support), I can't explain it to you. You'll just have to learn that lesson for yourself someday.

Go support his business and hang out with the guy.

 

[XtraSmiley]

Not sure where you're getting angry from.

If you don't understand why a person who intentionally deceives others is bad for any group they are a part of (and doesn't deserve support), I can't explain it to you. You'll just have to learn that lesson for yourself someday.

Go support his business and hang out with the guy.

Well I figure you're angry because you are passively aggressively attacking me. For example, telling me to learn a lesson someday or to hang out with the guy. Posting that I said he's a good guy etc.

I'm just telling you I don't care about what you've stated for the reasons you don't like BM. I posted stating I think he's an entertainer that entertains me.

You keep coming back and reiterating your dislike for the world's cheaters, except that you only focus on BM.

I promise you if you look at many things in your life, you ARE supporting, in one way or another, some sort of bad person. And that bad person has done a LOT worse than lie about a high score on Donkey Kong.

I'm made my point, feel free to make the last post on the matter, just try not to attack me in it!

 

[andrewb]

Well I figure you're angry because you are passively aggressively attacking me. For example, telling me to learn a lesson someday or to hang out with the guy. Posting that I said he's a good guy etc.

I'm just telling you I don't care about what you've stated for the reasons you don't like BM. I posted stating I think he's an entertainer that entertains me.

You keep coming back and reiterating your dislike for the world's cheaters, except that you only focus on BM.

I promise you if you look at many things in your life, you ARE supporting, in one way or another, some sort of bad person. And that bad person has done a LOT worse than lie about a high score on Donkey Kong.

I'm made my point, feel free to make the last post on the matter, just try not to attack me in it!

I'm not attacking you. I'm attacking your logic.

I choose to not personally actively support people who I know to have been willingly and knowingly deceptive to others. That's bascially the one sure way to be written off in my book (as I'm actually very forgiving when it comes to a lot of other things). It's a simple principle, and it keeps me, and other people I care about out of harm.

If you want to support such people, that's your prerogative, but don't try to minimize it (e.g., 'it's just high scores', 'lots of other people are bad', etc).

Ultimately it sounds like you're saying he did bad things to other people, but you don't care about it enough to change your attitude toward him, because nothing he did affects you personally, and the entertainment is more important to you. That's your principle. And mine is different.

 

[FrizzleFried]

I bet you $100 Billy Mitchell has read this thread and he loves it.

So much emotion flowing from both sides, either way, he's a winner.

From where I am standing, the guy looks very much like a loser to me.

 

[GreaseBall]

And you really would give this much f's about a guy who stole a gumball?

I think you are sensitive about Billy for video game reasons. Or else you are the world's greatest person, who is perfect, and you must have god knows how much stress even being on the same planet as a bunch of us ass-holes right?

I'm not saying you should marry off your daughter to Billy or anything, I'm just saying, if they make a King of Kong 2, don't be a stick in the mud and go check it out!

No, I think he and many other people in society are sensitive to people who victimize other people. It's antithetical to a functioning civilization. It has nothing to do with scores--it has everything to do with the guy being a liar, a cheater, and overall scummy person.

Maybe I have supported scummy people in the past but I will tell you that once I'm aware of the person not aligning with my morals and ethics I turn my back to them. Whether it's music or movies or arcade high score holders, I will not support them once I know they are shitty people.

 

[JamBurglar]

THIS thread however poses a question, why is BM appealing?

So, you're telling me you honestly find BM appealing?

 

[DonPanetta]

another multi page Billy Mitchell dumpster fire thread.

He already matched his disputed record a month or two ago on a live stream at an arcade in Ft.Lauderdale Florida in front of a live crowd.

It's over people. Let it go.

 

[paulliadis]

another multi page Billy Mitchell dumpster fire thread.

He already matched his disputed record a month or two ago on a live stream at an arcade in Ft.Lauderdale Florida in front of a live crowd.

It's over people. Let it go.

At least 25% of the comments in this thread are comments complaining about either the length of the thread or the existence of the thread.

 

[GreaseBall]

another multi page Billy Mitchell dumpster fire thread.

He already matched his disputed record a month or two ago on a live stream at an arcade in Ft.Lauderdale Florida in front of a live crowd.

It's over people. Let it go.

The disputed score that has strong evidence of being performed on MAME with indications of cutting and splicing to achieve a score that is substantially higher than the guy's who showed up to play live and break the 847,400 score. The same score that was conveniently shown on a tape and not performed in front of real people for numerous years.

Yes that score. Forget about it people. Jesus.

 

[FrizzleFried]

No, I think he and many other people in society are sensitive to people who victimize other people. It's antithetical to a functioning civilization. It has nothing to do with scores--it has everything to do with the guy being a liar, a cheater, and overall scummy person.

So much this. How ANYONE would want to associate with a proven cheater and pathological LIAR (again, proven)... is beyond me.

Momma always taught me, there is nothing worse than a thief or a liar and Billy Mitchell is both.

 

[FrizzleFried]

another multi page Billy Mitchell dumpster fire thread.

He already matched his disputed record a month or two ago on a live stream at an arcade in Ft.Lauderdale Florida in front of a live crowd.

It's over people. Let it go.

Doesn't even matter... a liar is a liar... a thief is a thief. Billy is both.

 

[FrizzleFried]

At least 25% of the comments in this thread are comments complaining about either the length of the thread or the existence of the thread.

You mean people are having a discussion on a forum? TELL ME IT AIN'T SO!



Close it down!