Dual PC10 Gun questions

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I am putting a PlayChoice 10 together, dual monitor, and am having difficulty with the light gun.

I bought 2 in a package deal off of ebay, and cannot get them to work...

They are the standard Nintendo guns, one pink, one blue.

I was reading that this may not be the correct gun?

I am going through the manuals, just haven't found the answer. The FCC board has had the C1, C2, and C3 caps cut (which is correct) and the games come up onto the screen. Just no joy with the DuckHunt!!!

Any ideas?
 
Well, after researching, found 2 things.

The red molex had a bent pin.
The 079 FCC board wasn't getting a good connection.

The gun started firing!
 
Now, the next question would be...

I can kill ducks without the new plexi. I put it back on, still fires, just cannot kill. This would suggest that the brightness is up to the right level...I would guess....

Any ideas on this one?
 
Originally the pink and blue guns probably went to a VS cabinet. The correct color for a PC-10 should be orange or black. Anyway if its working thats not your problem. :)

I never tried using the gun with a plexi bezel personally. Someone just had a thread the other day about people (kids probably trying to "cheat") scratching the heck out of a new bezel with the gun. Also I think part of the PC-10 kit was the 2 peices of smoked glass and the metal bracket that goes inbetween them. I wonder if you install the glass bezel rather than the plexi if your gun will work like its supposed to.
 
I'll give it a try. I'll use the glass in my Punchout and swap them out for the plexi I just had cut. The SPO has the curved plexi that was repro'd recently.

Will have to update tomorrow though if it works. I am hoping that it will! :)
 
Originally the pink and blue guns probably went to a VS cabinet. The correct color for a PC-10 should be orange or black. Anyway if its working thats not your problem. :)

I was reading that. My junk cab that I picked up had the right connectors, plugged it in (when I found that the pin was bent) and have been playing a few games of Duckhunt. Need to get a Hogan's Alley! I don't know why the correct connectors were in there, but hey, it works!
 
don't quote me here ;)

apparently the hardware inside all the guns are the same as the NES Zapper. the different gun colors is probably just that: different gun colors. they're all the same inside.

also, since we're talking light guns, there's probably a different reflective property with plexi vs. glass, plexi might distort the reflections going back to the gun and that's why it works behind the tinted glass and not plexi. are both of your panels plexi? if your top monitor one's glass, you'd probably be better off switching. though I don't remember mine if the glass panels were different lengths or not, probably moot anyway as you may just have all plexi. :p

good luck with this one though. I'm afraid to install a gun on my PC10 because I keep it in my family's arcade. I've seen the outrageous shit little kids do with the gun games, not with the PC10!
 
Swapped out the plexi for the tinted glass....no go. I take it off and the gun registers to the screen...

Any ideas?

I saw that the color spectrum has to be correct, really finicky I guess. However, with the tinted glass on, it won't register a hit. I turned up the brightness, still not working.
 
I have no other ideas, I really thought that would do it since it works without it. Well I guess you just need to fine tune it.
 
I guess another avenue to explore is whether the brightness is high enough on your monitor.

total captain obvious moment: cleaning the gun optics. :p I guess it's so second nature to me when repairing Sega's garbage guns that I don't think of it.
 
I've had mine apart to fix it... nothing special about it... except the security bolts they used to keep em together... although I managed to get them out without the correct tool..

chances are its only dirty on the outside of the lens anyways...

Have you tried using the guns w/ the plexi in and the game room lights "OFF" ?

the monitor has been cleaned as well as the plexi too? mine had the tinted glass, not plexi...
 
I've had mine apart to fix it... nothing special about it... except the security bolts they used to keep em together... although I managed to get them out without the correct tool..

chances are its only dirty on the outside of the lens anyways...

Have you tried using the guns w/ the plexi in and the game room lights "OFF" ?

the monitor has been cleaned as well as the plexi too? mine had the tinted glass, not plexi...

I will just try to clean the outside lense first, then try to figure out how to remove the security bolts.

Monitor is freshly capped and adjusted. Of course, cleaned the tube.
I switched in the original tinted glass, cleaned on both sides.

I have tried with the lights off. Still a no go.

Brightness is turned to a good level (tried turning to an obnoxious level for testing too), colors "seem" dead on.
 
I will just try to clean the outside lense first, then try to figure out how to remove the security bolts.

Monitor is freshly capped and adjusted. Of course, cleaned the tube.
I switched in the original tinted glass, cleaned on both sides.

I have tried with the lights off. Still a no go.

Brightness is turned to a good level (tried turning to an obnoxious level for testing too), colors "seem" dead on.

silly question, but when you pull the trigger, does it fire at all? like, are you certain the gun works, it's just the lens isn't working properly?

if you get it apart and cleaned and it still persists, then I suppose the next step is checking wiring on it. *shudders*

also, if I remember the technology properly, the colors shouldn't really matter. when you fire the gun, when it does that split-second flash, there's a portion of the screen that flashes up a box pattern over the on-screen target, and if the lens is pointed at this box, it will register a hit. if it isn't pointed at the box, then it just fires a missed shot.

supposedly if you use a low wattage light bulb, you can just fire the gun at that and "never miss" while playing Duck Hunt or something. :D

I had to fix my NES Zapper back in '06, after I was a lazy bum college graduate with all the time in the world. I had no soldering skills. I seriously fixed it with a roll of scotch tape (!!) and a pair of scissors, and if the arcade guns are anything like the console ones, the wires in them are blatantly inferior and shitty.
 
silly question, but when you pull the trigger, does it fire at all? like, are you certain the gun works, it's just the lens isn't working properly?

if you get it apart and cleaned and it still persists, then I suppose the next step is checking wiring on it. *shudders*

also, if I remember the technology properly, the colors shouldn't really matter. when you fire the gun, when it does that split-second flash, there's a portion of the screen that flashes up a box pattern over the on-screen target, and if the lens is pointed at this box, it will register a hit. if it isn't pointed at the box, then it just fires a missed shot.

supposedly if you use a low wattage light bulb, you can just fire the gun at that and "never miss" while playing Duck Hunt or something. :D

I had to fix my NES Zapper back in '06, after I was a lazy bum college graduate with all the time in the world. I had no soldering skills. I seriously fixed it with a roll of scotch tape (!!) and a pair of scissors, and if the arcade guns are anything like the console ones, the wires in them are blatantly inferior and shitty.

The gun works without the tinted glass in front of the monitor.
If I remove the glass (just bare monitor mounted in cab, the gun and game Duckhunt will work 100%.
The issue is that with the glass in front of the monitor, the signal doesn't get through it...
 
The gun works without the tinted glass in front of the monitor.
If I remove the glass (just bare monitor mounted in cab, the gun and game Duckhunt will work 100%.
The issue is that with the glass in front of the monitor, the signal doesn't get through it...

I remember this now. LOL I feel like an idiot. been in and out too much lately with work and side work, my brain is nuked.

perhaps just a cleaning might be in order. it might be good enough without the glass, but with all the dirt and smudge it probably dilutes (you know what I mean) the signal too much once you put some glass in front of it.

does it shoot pretty accurately with the glass off at least?
 
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