Deal or No Deal motherboard issue

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Has anyone found a current (read still available) motherboard to replace the mobo in Deal or No Deal. Currently it has a GeForce 6100-m9. I understand that a board will generally work if it has the NForce 410/430 chipset. My problem is finding a board that has NForce 410/430, a parallel port, a serial port, and socket 939. All in all its a very outdated combination. If I buy a motherboard that does not have a serial port but stick a PCI card in there with serial ports on it, will that work? I know some of you have had to replace this motherboard at some point and not wanted to pay ICE what they want for a new computer. Prices are outrageous for outdated tech.
 
I never needed to replace the mobo in that game, but I know there are ones with AM2 socket CPU´s like Athlon 64 or Athlon 64 X2 that would be a little more easy to find, and if you find any (like Biostar 6100 AM2) it would worth to test, even anyone with 410/430 south bridge, you could search in ebay for it, a cheap combo with any cpu of that kind. Good luck
 
I think the Dell Optiplex740's that Raw Thrills used has those specs. ie nForce, but its AM2. It does have a parallel and serial port.
 
Optiplex 740 doesn´t have geforce onboard, it only has a low rendering GPU business dedicated, the ones that raw trhills used are Microtel PC that came with 6100 geforce and AM2, those are which I was refering, since Dell had an X1300 ATI video card added to onboard for running F&F Drift conversion kit. I m not sure what uses ICE, but I think those Microtel would work, though if no high graphic rendering is needed, Dell Optiplex would work too... but I suggest to point the most similar to original as possible
 
The things to check for are a compatible I/O chip, sound chip, video, and chipset. These systems generally have stripped down kernels and not a lot of support for different system components.
 
Optiplex 740 doesn´t have geforce onboard, it only has a low rendering GPU business dedicated, the ones that raw trhills used are Microtel PC that came with 6100 geforce and AM2, those are which I was refering, since Dell had an X1300 ATI video card added to onboard for running F&F Drift conversion kit. I m not sure what uses ICE, but I think those Microtel would work, though if no high graphic rendering is needed, Dell Optiplex would work too... but I suggest to point the most similar to original as possible

The optiplex 740 I use in my office for ICS (yes, Internet Connection Sharing. Can you believe it?) Has an onboard nVidia GeForece 6150LE. Seems to me thats right where it should be as far as this software config goes.

To the OP, if you've got a copy of the disc I'd be more then happy to load it onto another 740 I have to see what it will do. I know that the software will be looking for I/O boards, security dongles and other stuff but if it gets that far theres a good chance that it might actually work.

Theres got to be a reason that Raw Thrills chose to use the 740's to replace those crap sucking MicroTel's.
 
The optiplex 740 I use in my office for ICS (yes, Internet Connection Sharing. Can you believe it?) Has an onboard nVidia GeForece 6150LE. Seems to me thats right where it should be as far as this software config goes.

To the OP, if you've got a copy of the disc I'd be more then happy to load it onto another 740 I have to see what it will do. I know that the software will be looking for I/O boards, security dongles and other stuff but if it gets that far theres a good chance that it might actually work.

Theres got to be a reason that Raw Thrills chose to use the 740's to replace those crap sucking MicroTel's.

I should have know, Dell use to build different harware configurations in the same model, we have 10 740 with low resource graphics intel MB, and the X1300 in PCI-E slot. So...
Conclusion is, if you´ll buy an optiplex 740, look for specs. In this case, if you look for a replacement, check first the MB has nforce410 and a Geforce GPU, besides of serial AND parallel ports, both are necesary, as DOND use both ports. By the way... Raw trhills use all DELL PC nowadays, coincide that got to be for a reason
 
Raw trhills use all DELL PC nowadays, coincide that got to be for a reason

They got smart. These Dells do a much better job of not blowing themselves to pieces inside the games. Plus, the computers they are using now can use STD ATX supplies so when they go bad I have the guys put a nice 600 watt supply in the computer and they stay working for years.

The only downfall now is video cards. They only seem to last a year or two. But at least RT uses a wide variety in their games.

For the fun of it I loaded Guitar Hero on an Intel based PC and it worked! It never installed the USB drivers so I must have had the wrong USB chipset.
 
They got smart. These Dells do a much better job of not blowing themselves to pieces inside the games. Plus, the computers they are using now can use STD ATX supplies so when they go bad I have the guys put a nice 600 watt supply in the computer and they stay working for years.

The only downfall now is video cards. They only seem to last a year or two. But at least RT uses a wide variety in their games.

For the fun of it I loaded Guitar Hero on an Intel based PC and it worked! It never installed the USB drivers so I must have had the wrong USB chipset.

I didn´t have problems with Microtel though, but Dell are way better quality. By the way, I m testing right now one Microtel that had a problem with video card, it doesn´t recognize a new video card since then, so I tried installing the soft with onboard video (Geforce6100) and worked, now this CPU is being tested in a location, I can post the results in a few days if you are interested.

Yea video cards are falling down frequently, but you can buy and replace easily, most are compatible, if not you need to upgrade the software

Guitar hero: Good to know, but if usb doesn´t work, then won´t work in the machine...
guitars go to usb port...
 
I didn´t have problems with Microtel though, but Dell are way better quality. By the way, I m testing right now one Microtel that had a problem with video card, it doesn´t recognize a new video card since then, so I tried installing the soft with onboard video (Geforce6100) and worked, now this CPU is being tested in a location, I can post the results in a few days if you are interested.
Guitar hero: Good to know, but if usb doesn´t work, then won´t work in the machine...
guitars go to usb port...

Definitely would like to hear your results. I tried the Drift with the
onboard video and the game failed with a DirectX error.

JD
 
If your not having problems with MicroTel's then you should go buy a lottery ticket! :)

I dont even fix them anymore. If a game that has one goes down I have the tech pull the video card (if its PCIe and its still good) and s*can the rest.

Re: GH on an intel platform. I think if I had used a board with the right USB chipset it would have worked. Super Cars and some Terminators are running on Intel Dell's so I could probably figure out what USB chipset those Dells are. I just grabbed a board off of my shelf )probably something out of a GlobalVR game) and tried it.
 
If your not having problems with MicroTel's then you should go buy a lottery ticket! :)

I dont even fix them anymore. If a game that has one goes down I have the tech pull the video card (if its PCIe and its still good) and s*can the rest.

Re: GH on an intel platform. I think if I had used a board with the right USB chipset it would have worked. Super Cars and some Terminators are running on Intel Dell's so I could probably figure out what USB chipset those Dells are. I just grabbed a board off of my shelf )probably something out of a GlobalVR game) and tried it.

I hevn´t more problems than dirt in the processor coller or video card dead, but I know sometimes experiences change in any or other ways, I mean somtimes I would have noted bad results in cartain equipment or not, and other people says exactly the opposite...

Re. Intel... If you google the Intel Motherboards part number, you´ll get all chipset info to get a replacement, sometimes you can find a no-intel brand MB with the same chipsets..
 
Your running Drift 1.25 off of the mobo video? Thats cool.

I'm still learning to work on the newer stuff, so bear with me.

I have a Drift kit that the video card crapped out on. It is on location. In a pinch, the tech bumped up the ram, and eliminated the video card, so the video is being run direct from the mobo. It plays, but it is slow and choppy as hell.

I plan on pulling it in in about a month, and I want it to run from a video card again so it runs properly. Do I just add a video card? What kind do I buy?

Thx,
Mike
 
I'm still learning to work on the newer stuff, so bear with me.

I have a Drift kit that the video card crapped out on. It is on location. In a pinch, the tech bumped up the ram, and eliminated the video card, so the video is being run direct from the mobo. It plays, but it is slow and choppy as hell.

I plan on pulling it in in about a month, and I want it to run from a video card again so it runs properly. Do I just add a video card? What kind do I buy?

Thx,
Mike

2 Answers:

1 - If its running slow, you should check what amount of RAM is dedicated to video, 128mb is recommended for normal speed, this is in motherboard setup

If you still plan to install a new video card, see answer 2:

2 - In theory, Geforce between 6100 and 9200GS should work, I used 8400GS, they are cheap, but you need to install version 1.25 for dedicated cabinet, and 1.26k for conversion kits.

Check the upgrade site of raw trhills, they have changelog comments to see what has been added in every version.


Regards
 
I'm still learning to work on the newer stuff, so bear with me.

I have a Drift kit that the video card crapped out on. It is on location. In a pinch, the tech bumped up the ram, and eliminated the video card, so the video is being run direct from the mobo. It plays, but it is slow and choppy as hell.

I plan on pulling it in in about a month, and I want it to run from a video card again so it runs properly. Do I just add a video card? What kind do I buy?

Thx,
Mike

The kinds of card you add depends on a few things.

PCIe or AGP?

AGP options are slim. 7300GS, 7600GS, 5500FX, 6700FX/LE and almost any 6100 will work. There is a video card patch disc that you can run on IDE based RT games (F&F, Drift, Super Bikes1) that will update the drivers so you dont have to re-install software.

PCIe I wouldn't screw around looking for diddly. 8400GS's can be had for as little as $10.00 after rebates and it works on almost EVERY RT game out there! Make sure you get the Zotac 8400GS though. The others wont work (at least the few others I've tested (ASUS, EVGA)). This card works great in F&F (2.02 or later (I'm running 2.08 and 3.00)), Drift 1.24, Drift 1.19u, Drift 1.26k and BBHW 1.17. The video card patch disc wont run on SATA based RT games. The CD runs a linux script that tries to mount the IDE port that the hard drive is connected to but since the drive is SATA it craps out.

Also you need to be aware that there are 3 (yes three) different versions of Drift. One for the dedicated games (1.25), one for the upgraded games (1.20u
for the games upgraded from F&F1) and the kit software (1.26k). You have to install the software according to the dongle(s).

You can download all of these from RT website for under $5.00 per version.
 
Hey OP.

I've got a black MicroTel I'm retiring today out of a Drift. Its got a couple of bad caps on the mobo but other wise seems OK. As I've said in this and other threads, I dont bother with MT PC's anymore...

$25.00 plus shipping if you want it. If the OP passes any of you other guys are welcome to it too. Just thought I'd ping the OP first.
 
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