Coin Comparitor question...

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I've bought a couple of Coin Comparitors a while ago and now want to install them.

After some Googling I found a document with all info here:
http://www.coinmech.com/images_products/images_supporting/455.pdf

The model I've got is the CC-40E.

The CC-40 has the following pin-out according to this doc:

1- Tilt
2- Inhibit or 10mA source
3- Credit
4- +12VDC or 24VAC/DC
5- +12VDC or 24VAC/DC
6- Ground

Now I want to hook it up with the AC that's already available in the coin door. So should I connect the wires to 4 and 5 or to 5 and 6 ? (or 4 and 6) ?

I measured ohms between 4 and 5 and got about 100 Ohms resistance so they are not electrically the same point.
 

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Regretfully no CMI number on the label.

These one's have a (yellow) Suzo label, but it also carries the usual Coin Comparitor name and logo.

The only other info is the Model CC 40 E

Maybe the E is for Europe ? (As I am in Europe and bought them here (used)).

I could take some pics. Would opening the cover be any help ?
 
just check where those 2 24VAC input (4 and 5) goes to.

my guess is, it is the same like i mention. 4+5 to 24VAC, and 6 to the other AC cable.

now, if those 2 line are goes to diode, forming rectifying, then it is using CT transformer line method. CT goes to gnd, and other 2 cable goes to 4 and 5.
 
Here's a pic of the inside:

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It looks like it's a DC version to me.....correct ?

Pin 5 runs (through the backside) to the diode that's on the far left-bottom corner. This looks more like a protection diode for reverse polarity to me than rectifying.
 
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Runs to the right side of the BIG resistor that is right over the big electrolytic capacitor.
The left side of that resistor goes to pin 5.....so it's in parallel over pin 4 and 5.

There's a code M-45 on the back, and it also says Rev. C on front and back of the board.
 
pin 5 and 6, can form half wave rectifying (marked by big electrolyte cap), and of course accepting DC.

since pin 4 didn't have any diode on it, i guess it is unused in AC configuration.

if the pin 4 only goes to the resistor and did not branch to any other, then i guess this pin can be completely ignored, for both DC and AC configuration.
 
Pretty sure that's an AC/DC version, but exactly which or what voltage I'm not sure.
Without an 09270135 type number it's kinda hard to narrow down with comparing all the schematics and component values. (for me anyways)
 
I think I solved the puzzle, well half of it....

I registered at Coinmech.com and to my surprise I was accepted so I can download the PDF schematics now. I picked one of the DC/AC CC-40 versions and it is now clear that at least this is a AC/DC version, because there was an interesting note on the schematics saying:

By removing D1,C1, ZD2,R5 and installing jumpers for D1 and R5 makes this a 12VDC operational PCB.
Well, those components ARE there on the PCB (C1 is the big filtering one). And you were right about the half-wave rectifying.

Sooooooooo, the one's I have clearly ARE AC versions. Not sure about what voltage now though.

I have a feeling that R1 (the one between pin 4 and 5 is there for lowering the input voltage from pin 4. When you connect the supply to pin 5 it's bypassing this resistore. It's 56 ohms, 2 Watt (well, at this schematic) so I figure that pin 4 is for the higher voltage (24V?) and pin 5 for the lower (12V).

I'm pretty confident now to try and hook up the 16VAC to pin 4 first and see if it works.

Thanks for your help guys !
 
Yeah, I was browsing some of those schematics as well.
Towards the bottom of the page was a "package" for the CC-40.... which is what I sent ya.
(easier than trying to browse one at a time)
 
Little follow up:

I dropped an e-mail at CoinMech and got a very quick response. But they're asking for model nrs. as well.

The E stands for Extended credit pulse by the way, but I'm not going to use that anyway.


However in the meantime I tried it on my Ms.Pac and it worked fine when connecting parallel to the coin door light bulbs (16VAC) between pin 5 and 6 !

I tried it with a 50 eurocent coin and it worked perfectly.

However, it won't fit in this kind of Bally-Midway coindoor !!! There's too much stuff that hits against the "bulb" on the backside of the mech......rats....

But I'm glad they're working fine.
 
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