Can KLOV Help Put A Stop To Bootleg MVS Cart On its Site

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Can KLOV Help Put A Stop To Bootleg MVS Cart On its Site

I know there is a Neo Geo forum, but the reality is dozens of Neo Geo MVS carts are sold on here each week. Thousands a year. Could we try and implement some sort of listing policy for MVS carts to keep boots not labeled as such out of the FS threads? Most forums make it against their policy to list bootleg material. ***edit*** I feel like we should at least make it a policy that sellers need to identify their carts as either a boot or not. ***edit***

It takes less than five minutes for a seller to verify a cart. There is even a website to check and see if your carts are in deed authentic SNK carts. It's not difficult, it's four screws, and a weblink. It's either a boot or not. ***edit***Technically the game is the pcb inside not the outer plastic case and I feel as though the buyer should be able to see what they are purchasing. ****edit***

Just because YOU test a boot and works in your machine doesn't mean it will work in all machines. They are notorious for sound glitches, missing levels and frozen screens.

In the last year I have purchase numerous boots from here and have known other who have fallen victim to the same fate. I know a good many sellers are unaware of the situation, but I have also asked plenty of others to verify and they simply refuse.

How to check and see if your carts are legit http://mvs.gotwalls.com/index.php/Main_Page
 
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Buyer beware. If the buyer doesn't demand a photo of the PCB's it's on him/her.

PERSONALLY... I don't care about boots and I will buy them... as long as they are identified as such and the price is right.
 
I bought my first MVS cart. Didn't really know that boots were that abundant. Mine's a boot. The sound comes and goes...

Kind of sucks it's my first, and only game right now.

Buyer beware, but if you are a seller... know what you are selling.
 
Buyer beware. If the buyer doesn't demand a photo of the PCB's it's on him/her.

PERSONALLY... I don't care about boots and I will buy them... as long as they are identified as such and the price is right.

I feel you, but I think the powers that be could ask a seller to verify before posting. It may go over as well as putting your location in the FS thread, but it just seems like the right thing to do. I just think if you are going to list and profit from an item you should make sure it is legit.
 
There could be a "rule" for this, but it might only offer a false sense of security since enforcing such a rule isn't really possible. I always ask if the carts are boots, but I still know that without pics, I'm buying at my own risk. As with everything else, you just have to use your best judgement. If the seller refuses to verify by opening the cart, and that's something you feel should be required, then don't buy.

Yeah, that situation sucks when you finally find that one cart you've been looking for, but the good thing about MVS carts is that they are always in circulation, so another one will come around.
 
As long as a boot is clearly labeled as such it is fine. I don't mind paying a small amount for a boot while I wait for a non boot to come up, or I can aforesaid it. It is the resposiblity of the buy to know what they are buying bandit it is the responsibility of the seller to not deceive the buyer.
 
I wrote a large rant, but I think this is probably the most concise way of putting it.

The easiest way we can slow down the bootlegs sold as originals would probably be to sticky a note talking about MVS cartridge Bootlegs, how they are abundant, and link to the MVS scans page and state a cartridge that matches one of these scans is an original, if it doesn't match it is a boot.

Then leave it to the purchaser to either ask for pictures of the PCB or trust in the seller that he/she knows what they are selling.

Of course, eventually the responsibility is on the buyer :/ I wouldn't want to necessarily forbid them here as some rare bootlegs are worth the price difference for many (Twinkle Star Sprites... 60-80$ vs 200$+).

I bought a bootleg MVS 1 slot here.. Funny thing is, I bought it and a glitchy 138-in-1. Found the 138-in-1 to be fine, but the 1 slot is what was glitchy. But at the price I paid, it was reasonable even for a bootleg.
 
I doubt you are going to have much success trying to regulate the Neo Geo market here. The bootlegs are very wide spread and it actually takes a bit of effort to spot one.

I actually owned one cart for a decade before finding out it was a bootleg.

The bootlegs were largely made a LOOOONG time ago back when the games in question were fairly new, and any serious Neo Geo collector should know that they need to ask for circuit board pics if they are concerned about bootlegs.

We still can't even get people to list their gol darn LOCATION in for sale threads. That takes almost no moderator oversight and we aren't even enforcing that, so enforcing only legit Neo Geo carts is unlikely.

By the way, moderators, LOCATIONS in games for sale, warning, BAN. It isn't that difficult, I used to be a moderator here, so I know you can do it.
 
Lets not go banning bootlegs, there are some great bootlegs out there, I am not talking about MVS carts.

But if we ban them then it won't be long before all are banned.

Let's just make sure to check before we buy. :D
 
Basically, if your rule is designed to make things more conveinent for yourself... it's a bad rule.

"Make people put the location in the title so I can browse better"

bad rule.

"Make people tell me it's a bootleg so I won't assume their underpriced item is more valuable than it is"

bad rule.

Etc. Etc.
 
BTW, TBBK: here's a couple ancient posts you posted that didn't have the location in the title. So Warn; Ban. You should ban yourself; you used to be a mod, I'm surprised you didn't make it happen :)

http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=15470

http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=26936

Since you didn't give up on yourself, maybe you shouldnt' give up on the rest of us? Sometimes, when people don't do things (like post something for sale on a message board) exactly the way you want them to, it's not necessarily a ban worthy problem.
 
I should have stated the title better. I am not asking to ban bootlegs and it is not a rule I am asking to make thing easier for myself. I just think having a sticky and informing members on the how to take the proper precautions both as seller and buyer) may be a good thing.

I always ask a seller to verify and I find on here most folks refuse. I had someone just this week get pissed off and repeatedly tell me his carts weren't boot even though he wouldn't open them, "they were from a reputable op".

I just think there should be some protection in place for members if they purchase a boot ie refunds, etc.

If we can find the time to hunt down a Michael Jackson gif why don't we have the time to post pics of the pcbs of the carts. I am not buying the plastic case, I am buying what is inside and should be able to verify it before purchase.
 
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Sure and then what about the multiboards like the 60-in-1?

Like I mentioned in my second post, I meant more guidelines about posting MVS carts. I feel a seller should have to advertise as boot or no boot. I am all for boots if the are clearly identified and sold as such.
 
I always ask a seller to verify and I find on here most folks refuse. I had someone just this week get pissed off and repeatedly tell me his carts weren't boot even though he wouldn't open them, "they were from a reputable op".

If a seller won't verify, consider it a boot......and move on accordingly.

Edward
 
Both of those posts were before the location rule existed and were back when the buy/sell/trade forum only had a tiny fraction of the activity it has today.

There is absolutely no way that not listing the location in the title helps ANYONE. All it does is waste people's time and Klov's bandwidth as people click on for sale threads for machines 1000 miles away, only to click that same thread again and again as it gets bumped.

Anyway, my true point was if we can't enforce an existing rule that you can spot violations of in the very thread title, there is absolutely no way we could police Neo Geo cartridges.

BTW, TBBK: here's a couple ancient posts you posted that didn't have the location in the title. So Warn; Ban. You should ban yourself; you used to be a mod, I'm surprised you didn't make it happen :)

http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=15470

http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=26936

Since you didn't give up on yourself, maybe you shouldnt' give up on the rest of us? Sometimes, when people don't do things (like post something for sale on a message board) exactly the way you want them to, it's not necessarily a ban worthy problem.
 
Is there seriously a rule about location in the title or on username for people posting stuff for sale? That's ridonkulous, if so. Sorry to re-hijack the thread.

Personally, I feel it's the responsibility of the seller to mention that it's a boot, and for the buyer to ask for proof if they don't want to take the risk. Nobody is innocent.
 
Sure and then what about the multiboards like the 60-in-1?

We definitely need a rule to make sure we don't get bootleg 60-in-1's!!!
At least make sure the seller says it an original 60-in-1 or a copy of a 60-in-1!!

I mean, a boot 60-in-1 might have bad sound or poor emulation!


:D
OK, sarcasm off.....
 
It is a rather common rule that many buy/sell forums that deal in heavier items have. Not listing locations wastes everyone's time, bandwidth and makes the sale forums less useful for everyone.

LOCATION: A For Sale threads title, especially for posts selling whole machines, should indicate the state or city the machine is located in. Additionally, it would be nice for the the location field of a user's profile to accurately identify where the user and items are located. Users in the United States, its Territories or Canada should provide City and State/Province. Users located outside of the US, its Territories or Canada should provide City and Country.

Please explain why exactly is that ridiculous?

I am sure the people fighting locations in titles think that somehow, someway those accidental distant eyes are helping them somehow, but they aren't. No one is driving 900 miles for that $125 project, while the buyers for the $1000+ machines are going to click on the thread no matter where it is.


http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=215218

LOCATION: A For Sale threads title, especially for posts selling whole machines, should indicate the state or city the machine is located in. Additionally, it would be nice for the the location field of a user's profile to accurately identify where the user and items are located. Users in the United States, its Territories or Canada should provide City and State/Province. Users located outside of the US, its Territories or Canada should provide City and Country.




Is there seriously a rule about location in the title or on username for people posting stuff for sale? That's ridonkulous, if so. Sorry to re-hijack the thread.

Personally, I feel it's the responsibility of the seller to mention that it's a boot, and for the buyer to ask for proof if they don't want to take the risk. Nobody is innocent.
 
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