Bit bummed... (re: Omega Race PCB on eBay)

[Jeff F]

I'm going to be picking up an Omega Race mini hopefully in the next week or so here and it seems like it's in decent condition except it's missing a PCB.

I've been looking for a set without much battery acid damage and have found a couple but they were well out of my financial range.

I came across a seller on eBay that sells *TONS* of PCBs and he listed two Omega Race PCBs, one description mentioned acid damage... one did not. I wrote about the set that didn't mention it to make sure there wasn't any obvious damage. The seller responded "none that I can see thanks". I put an offer of $66 on it(he wanted $75) and he accepted. No problem and I was very happy.

I received the boards this past week and first thing I notice when I open up the package is obvious battery acid damage around where the battery was installed. I mean, it's obvious. My wife can see it, my 9 year old son can see it, and even my 6 year old daughter can see it... it's that obvious.

So, I immediately write the guy asking if there was a mistake... maybe he sent the wrong PCB set as he was selling two and I can completely understand that happening. No problem just let me know.

No response.

So now, now I just wrote him again through eBay so there is some proof that I'm trying to contact him in case I need to do a claim.

In his description he stated that there are no returns or refunds period. I was completely ok with that as long as I received the item he said I was going to receive. Except in this case I don't feel I did because he said "none that I can see thanks" to my question.

Am I wrong? Or is it really a simple matter of getting an item that is not as described and it should be made right?

Just curious what others think. Thanks.

-Jeff

 

[Pac-Fan]

Let me guess... Bill Burger?

I wish eBay provided a way to filter listings to NOT show you listing from a particular (list of) seller(s). He would be at the top of that list.

Your best option is to file a "SNAD" - significantly not as described complaint through PayPal.

 

[amr]

If you paid via Paypal just file a claim - you will win.

 

[LyonsArcade]

Yeah paypal is incredibly lopsided towards the buyer anymore, which will come in handy in your situation since you're being screwed over by a seller. Just file a claim and they'll give you your money back.

 

[bit_slicer]

Man I've heard so many bad things about Bill. However I've bought several boards from him and each was as described and shipped well. Maybe just lucky I guess.

 

[LyonsArcade]

Yeah, personally I've heard tons of bad things too but never had a problem with him. I think the issue is he sells so much stuff that 95% of it is issue-free and then the rest somebody gets screwed.

Actually, I take that back.. I've got a KI pcb that's kind of flaky that I bought off of him. It was kind of a toss up though because when I got it, it worked fine then developed issues later the same day. Not sure if he knew that or not, lol.

 

[tester007]

Yeah paypal is incredibly lopsided towards the buyer anymore, which will come in handy in your situation since you're being screwed over by a seller. Just file a claim and they'll give you your money back.

Actually not.. you have to be carefull which choice you chose when you state if you got it or not, damaged..etc.. I have lost 2 claims stating what I got was not in auction because Paypal says they do not get involved with the actual item or quality of it, just wether it was shipped or not. I think the only way Paypal will go in buyers favor anymore is to say you never received it, which if the buyer proves otherwise, puts you at a loss again. Paypal f'n sucks.

 

[Jeff F]

I think the issue is he sells so much stuff that 95% of it is issue-free and then the rest somebody gets screwed.

Yeah, I completely agree. Just by looking at his feedback you can see that most people are satisfied with what they receive... thus the reason I didn't even think twice about buying from him.

If I didn't specifically ask about damage I wouldn't have even blinked twice. Just gets me a bit that I asked, he said "none that I can see thanks", and I receive a board with obvious damage.

My emails have been very polite and I basically was just curious if he sent the wrong board. Nothing negative to get out of either of them.

But this morning I received a reply and I can't help but get the inkling that he doesn't believe me. It says to "take a picture... or maybe 2 or 3 if there is "a bunch" of damage"...

I'll take 2 or 3 pictures after work... send them his way... and wait and see.

I was hoping I accidentally received the wrong board but after getting his response, I'm betting he never even looked at the board when I asked about it...

 

[RetroHacker]

I asked, he said "none that I can see thanks",

I'm betting he never even looked at the board when I asked about it...

You got it right! It was sitting there in a box, he glanced over at the box - "hmm, don't see any battery corrosion, nope, none at all!"

If I didn't see it, it's not illegal!

-Ian

 

[smpoponi]

I wish eBay provided a way to filter listings to NOT show you listing from a particular (list of) seller(s). He would be at the top of that list.

Ebay does have that function. I have a bunch of the dipshitty ops around here that just sell the same MK4 over and over again blocked so I can see the useful stuff.

 

[copious]

I feel your pain, the only winning I have gotten when buying through eBay is when something actually works when it arrives. Sad very sad.

 

[Jeff F]

So he requested pictures... I sent pictures... and I haven't heard a thing back so I sent pictures again.

Why can't people just be honest and admit they may have made a mistake? I mean, in my younger days I would be getting angry but now I'm just disappointed. I completely understand these kind of mistakes but to get defensive and/or ignore someone? That's just acting like you have a big ol' "L" on your forehead in my book.

Oh well... if I have to start a claim I will... but I hate doing crap like that when it *really* is a simple matter.

 

[EVB]

If you paid via Paypal just file a claim - you will win.

+1 Claim the item was significantly not as described and you will win.

Guy got a board from me a while back and it stopped working after he used it for 2 days. He filed the claim they sided with him and he sent the board back. I confirmed delivery and was done with it. Was kind of pissed he didn't just contact me because I would have done a swap but whatever...

 

[EVB]

I'm going to be picking up an Omega Race mini hopefully in the next week or so here and it seems like it's in decent condition except it's missing a PCB.

I've been looking for a set without much battery acid damage and have found a couple but they were well out of my financial range.

I came across a seller on eBay that sells *TONS* of PCBs and he listed two Omega Race PCBs, one description mentioned acid damage... one did not. I wrote about the set that didn't mention it to make sure there wasn't any obvious damage. The seller responded "none that I can see thanks". I put an offer of $66 on it(he wanted $75) and he accepted. No problem and I was very happy.

I received the boards this past week and first thing I notice when I open up the package is obvious battery acid damage around where the battery was installed. I mean, it's obvious. My wife can see it, my 9 year old son can see it, and even my 6 year old daughter can see it... it's that obvious.

So, I immediately write the guy asking if there was a mistake... maybe he sent the wrong PCB set as he was selling two and I can completely understand that happening. No problem just let me know.

No response.

So now, now I just wrote him again through eBay so there is some proof that I'm trying to contact him in case I need to do a claim.

In his description he stated that there are no returns or refunds period. I was completely ok with that as long as I received the item he said I was going to receive. Except in this case I don't feel I did because he said "none that I can see thanks" to my question.

Am I wrong? Or is it really a simple matter of getting an item that is not as described and it should be made right?

Just curious what others think. Thanks.

-Jeff

I think you probably should have been skeptical at $66 for an OR PCB with no acid damage don't you think??? I certainly would have know it was going to be bull shit.

 

[Deadly]

How dare you expect a seller to be honest about his sale?
This sucks hope things work out for you. It's terrible how overpopulated with thieves and liars this world is.