The whole thing sounds like a squabble between a bunch of nerds in a comic shop over which super hero is best. Outside those 20 people, the rest of us could care less.

Yet here you are telling us you could care less.

I usually just skip threads that I could care less about but whatever makes you feel good.
 
What I want to know is why no one has ever questioned his "perfect" Pac Man score. Are there any recordings of this happening and has anyone else ever been able to do this??

If he was willing to fake his DK and DK Jr. scores in MAME, it's not a stretch to think he would do it in Pac-Man.
 
it's all coming apart.

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If he was willing to fake his DK and DK Jr. scores in MAME, it's not a stretch to think he would do it in Pac-Man.

It's just so absurd that no one including Namco questioned it. He basically just said "I had a perfect game of Pac Man" and no one witnessed it. Plus, it seems practically impossible to do. He's very good at the game but I've never heard of any other gamer doing it which typically tells you something is up. Billy and Walter have done pretty awesome stuff for the video game community so I'm not bashing them. Just not surprised by the news.
 
It's just so absurd that no one including Namco questioned it. He basically just said "I had a perfect game of Pac Man" and no one witnessed it. Plus, it seems practically impossible to do. He's very good at the game but I've never heard of any other gamer doing it which typically tells you something is up. Billy and Walter have done pretty awesome stuff for the video game community so I'm not bashing them. Just not surprised by the news.

Rick Fothergill, Tim Balderramos...
 
It's just so absurd that no one including Namco questioned it. He basically just said "I had a perfect game of Pac Man" and no one witnessed it. Plus, it seems practically impossible to do. He's very good at the game but I've never heard of any other gamer doing it which typically tells you something is up. Billy and Walter have done pretty awesome stuff for the video game community so I'm not bashing them. Just not surprised by the news.

It's been done by at least six other players. The most recent just two years ago.
 
Billy's Pac Man score is inconsequential. Once proven a cheater, ALL his scores are suspect and should be discounted...
 
I thought Billy did one of the perfect Pac Man scores (if not his first?) live at Funspot(?)

I thought I recall seeing it on the local news at the time.
 
The whole thing sounds like a squabble between a bunch of nerds in a comic shop over which super hero is best. Outside those 20 people, the rest of us could care less.

You are so edgy saying this on an arcade collecting forum.
 
you wonder whether Billy will still be booked at upcoming events, or are those financially beneficial days overwith?
Will we eversee walter Day and Billy together again in pictures...hmmmm
 
It's been done by at least six other players. The most recent just two years ago.

All of whom have achieved it faster (i.e. in less time) than Mitchell. So how fast you can accomplish it should be the new benchmark.


they were both together @ Arcade Expo in banning, ca last month.

I think he meant once TG (eventually) rules against Mitchell, which keeps getting delayed.
 
If he was willing to fake his DK and DK Jr. scores in MAME, it's not a stretch to think he would do it in Pac-Man.

Except that he first did it publicly at Funspot. Kinda hard to "fake it" on someone else's machine, that's publicly available for scrutiny.

I thought Billy did one of the perfect Pac Man scores (if not his first?) live at Funspot(?)

I thought I recall seeing it on the local news at the time.

And yeah, as someone else mentioned, now it's "how long it takes you to get there" that is the measuring stick. Mitchell is actually pretty far down the list on that.

As far as what Frizz said, there's a difference between Mitchell and Todd Rogers, in that none of Roger's scores could be verified as legitimate. It's common knowledge that Billy's "perfect Pac-Man" was done publicly, on a machine not owned by him. I don't know what other records he may have, or how they were "verified", but I can see calling them into question. The Pac-Man score doesn't really matter, as he's not the top dog anymore, nor likely ever will be again.

It still remains to be seen what TG will do in reference to Billy, but there are a lot of people who will still see him as a great gamer. And I guess, rightly so. But there will always be that asterisk next to his name. *cheated at Donkey Kong.

I also find it hilarious that no one has brought up Pixels in this mess.... didn't they kinda predict it? "Eddie Plant cheated!" and wasn't Eddie's character based on Billy Mitchell? :D
 
Iggy, I pretty much agree with you on your comments. Here's my squeak from the peanut gallery, disclaimer first:

DISCLAIMER: I have developed an opinion as to whether or not Billy Mitchell's disputed scores were legitimate. That opinion will be kept to myself for the purposes of this post, though that opinion may not be difficult to discern. In any event, I intend to speak as impartially as possible about this as I can.

Cheaters, by practice, are liars. Someone who is capable of competing against others on a level playing field with ethics and integrity is exhibiting honesty in play, regardless of whether they win, lose, or draw. However, a cheat cannot compete on a level playing field. They need to tilt it to their advantage because they are incapable of fair play, and there are numerous ways of doing this.

The reality is that how they tilt the field is almost a non-question once it's discovered: they'll do it in any way that they can and for as long as they think that they can get away with it. But what is important is that when that manipulation is both recognised and confirmed, the person responsible is totally, completely, and utterly ostracised. And, as part of this ostracism, any achievements that they may have set - related to the event that came under suspicion or otherwise - are also purged and that person is perpetually banned from competition.

Having said that, I firmly believe that all persons appearing before a jury (or other panel of inquiry) are innocent until proven guilty. But I also reserve the right to believe that when certain evidence strongly suggests a particular degree of culpability, then, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, there are a very limited number of reasonable outcomes that can be derived given the evidence at hand.

The judiciary's decision is awaited with anticipation.
 
Iggy, I pretty much agree with you on your comments. Here's my squeak from the peanut gallery, disclaimer first:

DISCLAIMER: I have developed an opinion as to whether or not Billy Mitchell's disputed scores were legitimate. That opinion will be kept to myself for the purposes of this post, though that opinion may not be difficult to discern. In any event, I intend to speak as impartially as possible about this as I can.

Cheaters, by practice, are liars. Someone who is capable of competing against others on a level playing field with ethics and integrity is exhibiting honesty in play, regardless of whether they win, lose, or draw. However, a cheat cannot compete on a level playing field. They need to tilt it to their advantage because they are incapable of fair play, and there are numerous ways of doing this.

The reality is that how they tilt the field is almost a non-question once it's discovered: they'll do it in any way that they can and for as long as they think that they can get away with it. But what is important is that when that manipulation is both recognised and confirmed, the person responsible is totally, completely, and utterly ostracised. And, as part of this ostracism, any achievements that they may have set - related to the event that came under suspicion or otherwise - are also purged and that person is perpetually banned from competition.

Having said that, I firmly believe that all persons appearing before a jury (or other panel of inquiry) are innocent until proven guilty. But I also reserve the right to believe that when certain evidence strongly suggests a particular degree of culpability, then, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, there are a very limited number of reasonable outcomes that can be derived given the evidence at hand.

The judiciary's decision is awaited with anticipation.

I completely agree with you. He will take his lumps, and somehow figure out a way to work things to his advantage. That's just his personality.

Honestly, I don't doubt his "below" million point scores, I just think it was his drive to be "first" that made him pull that tape out of his ass. Also, for all we know, it COULD have been made for the KoK movie specifically, but somehow, through miscommunication, actually been accepted.... and by then, it was too late to "back out". Plus, Walter was, I'm guessing, going to hold on to TG until he died.... so the secret would remain safe. That flew out the window when this new owner got ahold of it.




I'm not shocked by this. I watched the live stream TG did on Facebook for the entire 6 or 7 hours... and as I stated earlier, the evidence presented was pretty damning. I also like how they worded their decision... that they weren't sure if it was MAME or some other emulation, as that didn't matter. It's just that an unmodified DK board was NOT used, and on that, they are certain.

I said before that I like this new owner. Just from what I saw on the live stream, he has an air of integrity around him.
 
I completely agree with you. He will take his lumps, and somehow figure out a way to work things to his advantage. That's just his personality.

Honestly, I don't doubt his "below" million point scores, I just think it was his drive to be "first" that made him pull that tape out of his ass. Also, for all we know, it COULD have been made for the KoK movie specifically, but somehow, through miscommunication, actually been accepted.... and by then, it was too late to "back out". Plus, Walter was, I'm guessing, going to hold on to TG until he died.... so the secret would remain safe. That flew out the window when this new owner got ahold of it.





I'm not shocked by this. I watched the live stream TG did on Facebook for the entire 6 or 7 hours... and as I stated earlier, the evidence presented was pretty damning. I also like how they worded their decision... that they weren't sure if it was MAME or some other emulation, as that didn't matter. It's just that an unmodified DK board was NOT used, and on that, they are certain.

I said before that I like this new owner. Just from what I saw on the live stream, he has an air of integrity around him.

I don't think there's any doubt the guy can play donkey Kong, but I don't believe he has even broke a million live in front of anyone. He always seems to go out at around 600k-800k at the Kong Off right?
 
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