Bad Trader posts?

Scott C

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How do most folks feel about Bad Trader posts on KLOV? I had an experience this last week where someone committed to sell me a game only to sell it to someone the day before I was to pick it up. My thinking is others may wish to be wary of this person and their questionable ethics, which I why I am thinking of posting a Bad Trader alert with their respective info and the relevant details.

Without lecturing my point, if someone commits to sell me something then there better be a really good reason for breaking their word, otherwise it is just greed and their word means nothing. For the record, I am not sore about losing the game since there are others out there, but don't appreciate being lied to in a transparent means of covering up their own greed.

Scott C.
 
Why?

Why does this need to be publicly posted? The seller has the right to change his or her mind on whom they will sell to.. These are the kind of posts that are just a waste of time.. Unless you lost money, property, etc then what's the problem? I've been burnt many times in the hobby by people deciding to change the terms or sell to others... It's just what happens.. It totally sucks, but not worth publicly outing someone cause your feelings are hurt.. Can't we just be adults? Also, there is a feedback system and section of this forum.. Post your gripe there.
 
Why start a thread on it, if the person is a member of the forums just leave them bad trader feedback, whoever does business with them in the future
will see the feedback and either question him or you about it for more info.
 
Why does this need to be publicly posted? The seller has the right to change his or her mind on whom they will sell to.. These are the kind of posts that are just a waste of time.. Unless you lost money, property, etc then what's the problem? I've been burnt many times in the hobby by people deciding to change the terms or sell to others... It's just what happens.. It totally sucks, but not worth publicly outing someone cause your feelings are hurt.. Can't we just be adults? Also, there is a feedback system and section of this forum.. Post your gripe there.

Because when you make a deal, and sell it out from under someone who's committed to purchase, it's total bullshit that's why.
 
Thanks for the feedback guys. I didn't think about using the feedback system on KLOV so good suggestion.

As for being adults here, I asked the question to receive feedback and additional thoughts. As I stated in the thread, it's not about losing a game, but rather about how a person chooses to conduct themselves. Call me old school, a committment is a committment and when someone gives me their word, I take that to the bank. It's too bad people have become so appathetic to that point that they simply except it. If I had that same philosophy, I would have royally screwed over numberous KLOVers. I am very happy to say that is not the case.

As it is, End of Line.

Scott C.
 
unfortunately, until they have cash in hand and you have the game in the back of your truck it's not a done deal and that's just how it's going to be. i always treat it as such and if i want something bad enough i'll find a way to get it ASAP.

it's a small community however, and people talk to each other. treating others well when buying or selling pays dividends in the long run as a good reputation can help you close deals and get better prices.
 
Well said, mc300baud! It is funny how I keep bumping into the same folks over the years and they usually remember past deals. As an example, I'm working a deal with someone now and they reminded we did business severals years back. I am proud to say my list of folks I won't do business with is very short.

I know of someone that has something the person I was buying the game from wants. Do you think I am willing to help that seller get that item now??? What comes around goes around.

As Shakespeare said: "Reputation, reputation, reputation! O, I ha lost my reputation, I ha lost the immortal part of myself, and what remains is bestial!"

Scott C.

- mc300baud said:
"it's a small community however, and people talk to each other. treating others well when buying or selling pays dividends in the long run as a good reputation can help you close deals and get better prices."
 
If a person misses a pick up or wants to change the date they have changed the terms of the deal, and therefore the seller has the right to say deals off.

I only hold game for people I really like or trust.

Many times if I am trying to sell a game to buy another game I tell people straight out... If I find another way to pay for this before you pick up the game your SOL. It could be 2 hours it could be 2 days so quick is good.

The best thing to do is decide if you really have to have a game and then drop everything and go get it, before anyone has time to rethink or get a better offer.

People in this hobby are fickel...

The buyer also has some responsibility:
 
People in this hobby are fickel...



No.Some people on here have no integrity.
When you agree on a deal then you should honor your word.
If the buyer is told first come first served then that is one thing but if both parties make an agreement then it should be honored by both.
I have bought things that I could have gotten cheaper but honored my word and the original deal. Same with some items I have sold.
Someone offers more then too bad it is sold.
If the original buyer flakes then I just put it back up for sale,it's not like there are fees to do this here.
If that is a problem then the seller shouldn't consider it sold and tell the prospective buyer that until he has money it could be sold to another.

The buyer also has some responsibility:
Only to hold up his end of the agreement,just like the seller should.
 
No.Some people on here have no integrity.
When you agree on a deal then you should honor your word.
If the buyer is told first come first served then that is one thing but if both parties make an agreement then it should be honored by both.
I have bought things that I could have gotten cheaper but honored my word and the original deal. Same with some items I have sold.
Someone offers more then too bad it is sold.
If the original buyer flakes then I just put it back up for sale,it's not like there are fees to do this here.
If that is a problem then the seller shouldn't consider it sold and tell the prospective buyer that until he has money it could be sold to another.


Only to hold up his end of the agreement,just like the seller should.


I agree with everything you said, but the reality is that people are fickel or as you said lack some integrity. Sometimes people are even honest...sometimes little Jimmy catches a baseball in the nose .. and the game becomes less important.

When I make a deal, I follow through. But if I put conditions on a sale I really mean them too.

When I say fickel it just a nice way of saying that theres nothing I can do about it, and well its not worth upsetting myself over.

buyers should know that changing terms might screw up a deal. When I sell part of my collection it is usually to get something so timing is important. I don't like to pull money from the wrong pot.
 
Well, I agree that we have a feedback thread farther down the main page for posting if you feel like complaining about how someone handled a deal.

The problem with making "bad trader" posts for everyone who says they'll sell you a game, then sells it to someone else before you show up because they never got any money from you ahead of time (even a small deposit via PayPal helps) is this:

For every seller who sold something out from under another, there is a buyer who said they'd buy then never showed up. Or said they need some time to come up with the money, so you wait - passing up offers from others - then three weeks later when you ask them if they're ready to pay yet, they tell you, "Oh, sorry, I found one somewhere else."

I can't begin to tell you how many times that happens...
 
Thanks for the feedback guys. I didn't think about using the feedback system on KLOV so good suggestion.

As for being adults here, I asked the question to receive feedback and additional thoughts. As I stated in the thread, it's not about losing a game, but rather about how a person chooses to conduct themselves. Call me old school, a committment is a committment and when someone gives me their word, I take that to the bank. It's too bad people have become so appathetic to that point that they simply except it. If I had that same philosophy, I would have royally screwed over numberous KLOVers. I am very happy to say that is not the case.

As it is, End of Line.

Scott C.

+1

I just had this happen to me a week ago....
 
every single situation has differing factors that can come into play.

but very simply put:

If you make a deal, you make a deal! period.
Anyone who has a different opinion is a fucking idiot.

Now the seller should have said, "hey, you still coming? I got another guy here" etc.

seller is a dipship.
 
I guess that means that every single person who agrees to buy something from me must include a commitment to purchase, and provide me a paypal address so I can file a dispute if they change their mind later..
 
tron guy said:
every single situation has differing factors that can come into play.

but very simply put:

If you make a deal, you make a deal! period.
Anyone who has a different opinion is a fucking idiot.

Now the seller should have said, "hey, you still coming? I got another guy here" etc.

+1
If a seller is worried about the buyer backing out then request a deposit or simply tell the buyer that until the item is paid for it is up for grabs.
Don't make a deal and tell the buyer it's his then sell it out from under him because a better offer came along.
That is a douche bag move.
 
I guess that means that every single person who agrees to buy something from me must include a commitment to purchase, and provide me a paypal address so I can file a dispute if they change their mind later..

If it was me and someone wanted me to wait a week or 2,then I see no problem with asking for a non refundable deposit should the buyer flake on the deal.
If the person really wants or needs the item they would have no problem with a deposit.
 
Everything depends on the circumstances.

Let's take a hypothetical situation... I make a deal to buy a game and I offer a deposit. The seller says a deposit is not necessary. We mutually agree to a time to pickup the game. That date nears and the game is sold out from under me. THAT deserves a bad seller post, I want to know about people like that.

I, as a rule, offer a deposit for anyone that I have not done business with before. It shows my true intentions. If they refuse a deposit that's fine but I expect them to honor their word. If they don't they should be called on it.

How firm was the commitment? Think hard about it before posting something. I have seen it go both ways, sometimes the commitment is unmistakable and other times its not so clear.
 
If it was me and someone wanted me to wait a week or 2,then I see no problem with asking for a non refundable deposit should the buyer flake on the deal.
If the person really wants or needs the item they would have no problem with a deposit.
These are good points. The rub here for me and some additional background is...

- I did not miss a deadline to pick-up the game
- I did not ask for any extensions
- I was not asked to provide a downpayment, etc.
- The terms of the deal were not changed

They simply sold the game the evening before we agreed I would pick it up (literally less than 17 hours).

Scott C.
 
Some good points by all, I personally believe in having honor with what you do. If you make a verbal or written agreement, it should be held to such terms.

Best advice, it's like the old saying goes "Don't count your chickens before they're hatched". Whether you're the buyer or seller, until a transaction is done, nothing is ever in stone.

MikeatUnion and I were possibly going to make a deal a while back on a game I had. He made a great offer, but wasn't quite what I needed at that moment, and it was sold to another. I would like to think I was as straight up about the situation as I could be, and he would need to throw in his two cents regarding it. Him and I messaged back a few times about it before it was sold, and I think we treated each other with great respect. And because of that communication and respect, I know in the future if him and I do a deal, I can fell comfortable about doing business with him. There was no smoke, no bs, just straight talk. And because of that small relationship developed through communication, he now has another set of hands at this end to grab a game if he needs. The whole point of this paragraph: don't burn bridges, you never know when you may need to cross the waters again.
 
These are good points. The rub here for me and some additional background is...

- I did not miss a deadline to pick-up the game
- I did not ask for any extensions
- I was not asked to provide a downpayment, etc.
- The terms of the deal were not changed

They simply sold the game the evening before we agreed I would pick it up (literally less than 17 hours).

Scott C.

Bottom line -- give the seller negative feedback and if you want to post a bad trader message then do it. I for one would like to know about behavior like this before I go through a deal with a seller like that.

It's not whining. There was either a terrible misunderstanding with the deal or the seller has no ethics. That's not unexpected on craigslist but here it's a different story.
 
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