Atari Assault Sideart. Gauging Interest?

[ThisOldGame]

yeah I thought the sideart was covered in another thread.
as djdns said we were trying to go through others we knew that were connected.
with assualt, the films, etc.
I was pretty sure it was brought up in another thread not too long ago.
and the last post I read on this one was MattOsborns about the search/interest on the films
so while we waited on responses from others involved I had no idea there were others rolling forward with a different plan.

There are sooo many projects and there will be some that will be silkscreened and some that wont either because of costs, lack of interest, or both.

 

[QuartrArcade]

The original Assault CPO films are at my printer as I type, I'm just waiting on a quote and then they will start production.

Please, please hang on and purchase the screen printed CPOs. I'd really like to do a few other new projects this year, but if nobody is buying them or buying cheaper inkjet stuff I just can't justify making the investment.

Trust me, I'm not trying to get rich off of these repros, most of time it takes two-three years just to break even on projects nowadays.

Anthony

 

[robgest]

I don't think John is here to step on toes, but I do think it's crazy that ony the "INSIDERS" that have superior art work should be able to tell the others when they can and can't make artwork. And as far as "uncool" goes, uncool is telling the people in the hobby that wanting to make thier cabs look good at an affordable price is wrong. I myself do not want to wait for months or maybe years to get my machine looking good, just so I'm part of the in crowd. Who on this site has repro buttons on DK? Well, you better pull them off and wait for an exact match before you play it…because if it's inferior stuff then your machine is junk and you only want to get it done so you can sell it.

 

[robgest]

I'm sorry if I am getting a little upset, I don't want too. I am just confused since I can't and did not see anyone on this site in the last year and a half show that they wanted to make this happen. I found one post from middle 2010 talking about sideart and then nothing till I started bringing it up. Me and John thought we would bring something to this hobby and are working our ass off on it. We didn't know that all our work would be smacked around like we were little bitches. Like I said, I even wanted to buy a single side so it would be exact, but was told that it would take $200 to get it. When I said that that was a little high, I was told "Yeah some things people, including myself would pay a lot of $ for when its not available anywhere." so this tells me that this person just wants to make money...not help. John is doing something to help out and give people something that they want.
So, sorry for stepping on toes around here. And whatever you do....do not take any of what I am saying as coming from John. He has no idea what I am saying. So screw with me if you want......he does great work and you should respect that.

 

[mattosborn]

Who said the screen printed stuff wasn't going to be affordable? Sure, the inkjet stuff will always be cheaper. Personally, I would never buy inkjet stuff if the screened was available, even if screened cost 2x or 3x as much. But it doesn't cost that much more! People like Francis and Anthony put a lot of time and money into making this happen, and there is little (if any) return in it for them. There are not that many Assaults out there.... If Anthony can't sell his stock then the future of quality repros like this is in jeopardy.

 

[fatherpain]

I'll be holding out for the Quarterarcade CPO's and Thisoldgame sideart. Patience is a virtue in this hobby and I'm willing to wait for proven quality. I understand if you guys want to move forward on this, you already have some work invested in this, as do Anthony, Rich, djdns, nash and myself.

A little research might have saved some headache, but you guys seem to want something now rather than later. But from the tone, I doubt anything said will or would have dissuaded you guys so more power to ya.

I'm in this hobby for the long haul so I'll wait for the stuff thats been in the works for awhile.

Tom

 

[cnlmoore]

When you've been around for awhile you learn to ask lots of questions to make sure you aren't duplicating efforts. The assault side art project has been in the works on and off for YEARS. A certain overseas collector had the art 95% re-worked, it looked beautiful and then he just up and vanished. A local IL collector purchased a piece of NOS side art for scanning and reproducing. People were trying to find the films. Etc, etc.

Make your project or project intent know so everyone can chime in, privately or on the forum. Then you can work it out. TOG and QuarterArcade should be supported whenever possible. They have been around for a long time and continue to be a valuable resource in this very specific hobby of ours.

 

[robgest]

Thats fine, I didn't start this project to make people mad, and I'm sure John thinks the same thing. When you talk about research, you may want to search the forum for the sideart. I asked more than once about the sideart and if someone was going to do it, and the only thing that we were told was that someone may have the art and they may do it when they find it, MAYBE. Thats cool that a great quality art will be coming out sometime, but I have John work and I think it is very good and I would have no issue having it on my machines. So I have no bad feeling towards anything that was said tonight and I love this hobby as a hobby and have a great time talking to all of you. So please, lets just have some fun and get it going.

 

[dj dns]

Well I see you really are a newbie. First off, yes I am the person that had the so called $200 sideart that you seem to mention in almost every post. Second I believe I told you and anyone else that it would be $175. You my friend might think its a price out of this world, but this is about how much I paid for it which is where your quote came from that I gave you. I will spend this kind of money on something that I want unlike you. I was asking this price just getting my money back. If you don't believe I spent this amount of money for it, I can pm you the collectors info I got it from so you can confirm. Third for you to say I'm just in it for the money shows me you don't know me from a hole in the wall and you don't know what the hell you are talking about. You need to watch what you say if you don't have all your facts straight.

I'm sorry if I am getting a little upset, I don't want too. I am just confused since I can't and did not see anyone on this site in the last year and a half show that they wanted to make this happen. I found one post from middle 2010 talking about sideart and then nothing till I started bringing it up. Me and John thought we would bring something to this hobby and are working our ass off on it. We didn't know that all our work would be smacked around like we were little bitches. Like I said, I even wanted to buy a single side so it would be exact, but was told that it would take $200 to get it. When I said that that was a little high, I was told "Yeah some things people, including myself would pay a lot of $ for when its not available anywhere." so this tells me that this person just wants to make money...not help. John is doing something to help out and give people something that they want.
So, sorry for stepping on toes around here. And whatever you do....do not take any of what I am saying as coming from John. He has no idea what I am saying. So screw with me if you want......he does great work and you should respect that.

 

[Zorg]

A certain overseas collector had the art 95% re-worked, it looked beautiful and then he just up and vanished. A local IL collector purchased a piece of NOS side art for scanning and reproducing. People were trying to find the films. Etc, etc.

not vanished, just busy with real life and some professional stuff.

I was contacted by few people, and I admit I was not in the good mood to positively answer to the contact.
on my side assault repro is not dead, delayed yes. and as I am perfectionist, it will take a long time.

 

[robgest]

Third for you to say I'm just in it for the money shows me you don't know me from a hole in the wall and you don't know what the hell you are talking about. You need to watch what you say if you don't have all your facts straight.

OK, Like I said in the last post...I didn't start all of this to make people mad. It just seems that I have posted a few times that this was something that I wanted, and may try to get going. Nobody on here said "Hey, a couple of us are going to do this thing" and when I talked to djdns about the side art and said that I couldn't justify the cost for one peice of side art, he never said that he was working on anything. So yes, I got a little pissed when people started calling me uncool and talking shit about the project, when all I ever wanted to do was move the hobby in the right direction.
And DJ DNS, I would like to say I'm sorry for pointing you out in this, that was uncalled for and I am sorry.

 

[mrbill08]

Sniff....

I just want some halfway decent sideart for my Assault.

As Rodney King said "can't we all just get along?".....

There is a compromise in here somewhere - we just have to find it.

I appreciate and support the guys who have made quality repros in the past. It truly is a labor of love and their past contributions and efforts should be recognized and rewarded.

But as a collector community we should also want to encourage anyone new to the scene to also make quality repros. They are a lot of work and no one person or group can do them all.

The challenge is coordinating efforts and avoiding duplication.

Everyone benefits and there will be fewer naked cabs out there waiting for artwork.

The Assault sideart is a perfect example - how long do you politely wait for someone to finish their repro project? I don't think it's fair to expect someone to wait forever and with today's available technology, the repro capability is in a lot more people's hands. The simultaneous Assault sideart repro efforts are the result of everyone being "polite" but reaching the limit of wait time and taking matters into their own hands. We as a community need to come up with an agreed upon timeframe that if you call "I'm doing a repro of...." that you have so much time to complete it or it is perfectly acceptable for someone else to pick up the project.

As we have seen with other repro projects (take quantum, for example), there always seems to be enough people available to want them so "sequential runs" have been needed. Exclusivity and coordination is best, of course - more projects can be completed simultaneously and the benefits of their labors can be realized. But again, how long is long enough to wait?

I hope that this can be worked out - I am grateful that you guys are doing the repros and don't want to discourage anyone from continuing their efforts.

Bill

 

[mattosborn]

From the title of this thread, it was supposed to be just "gauging interest", but in retrospect it appears to be a notice of intent.
I replied with a warning about the state of affairs on the first day, and you guys just dismissed that and went along with your plan.

Atari artwork is a special case. Besides some Williams films that were sold off, where else do we have the original films to produce exact reproductions? It just seems foolish to me for someone to repro anything Atari without talking to Scott Evans first.

 

[SeanMcL]

The assault side art project has been in the works on and off for YEARS. A certain overseas collector had the art 95% re-worked, it looked beautiful and then he just up and vanished. A local IL collector purchased a piece of NOS side art for scanning and reproducing. People were trying to find the films. Etc, etc.

This is the best argument I can think of for the OP, or anyone else, to continue on with their projects.

Well I see you really are a newbie. <<Vitriol removed>>

Kinda harsh. Sounds like the OP is just tired of waiting for art that may or may not ever get done. He doesn't owe anyone any explanation, and if you get your art out first you win.

I am just glad repro art will be available. Assualt is the last game on my "will buy" list and the art is always bad.

 

[robgest]

This is the best argument I can think of for the OP, or anyone else, to continue on with their projects.



Kinda harsh. Sounds like the OP is just tired of waiting for art that may or may not ever get done. He doesn't owe anyone any explanation, and if you get your art out first you win.

I am just glad repro art will be available. Assualt is the last game on my "will buy" list and the art is always bad.

Thanks a bunch for the kind words. And your right, I don't owe anyone an explanation, I even asked Matt in post #7 if anyone was doing this project and he had nothing to say except that someone has the art and if they find it someday, it may get done. Heck he even said "I think if I owned them I would have cataloged everything long ago..." So Matt can you please show me what post had the "warning about the state of affairs on the first day"? If someone had posted that it was in the works, I would have never started working on measurements for the art.
I keep telling the same people that all I wanted to do was help out if I could with the artwork, and I think that a couple of them understand that I wasn't attempting to screw them, but I still have a couple people that think I should bow down to them.
Nobody said that everyone had to purchase Johns work. I myself think he does a great job and will enjoy putting it on my machine. I also think that many of the people here have great things that they bring to the forum. Matt does a great job with the Assault chips and many other projects, all the design people have done super work on art for the machines, dj dns has done a great many things to help get peoples machines up and running (even mine) and I thank all of you for that. All I ask for is not to be thrown under the bus because I wanted to help get a project going. So far this is the first place that I have ever posted in that told me that I was in the wrong for doing something without asking everyone in the forum if it was OK.

 

[dj dns]

Acually its not harsh becasue the reason why I called him a newbie is because he had nerve trying to talk trash about me and didn't know what the hell he was talking about. That statement had nothing at all to do with this artwork situation. As far as the art is concern they can do as they wish and I would never try to stop someone for doing something that that want to. I'm not here to thread crap. I just wanted to let it been know that we were working on the same project and I guess collectors will have a choice on this project. I also wanted to clear up and correct the OP for speaking negative about me when he had no idea what he was talking about and should always have facts before proceeding to talk negative about someone. Whats worst is I just sold him some parts for a good price and let him pay me later for them. Thats all I have to say!

This is the best argument I can think of for the OP, or anyone else, to continue on with their projects.



Kinda harsh. Sounds like the OP is just tired of waiting for art that may or may not ever get done. He doesn't owe anyone any explanation, and if you get your art out first you win.

I am just glad repro art will be available. Assualt is the last game on my "will buy" list and the art is always bad.

 

[ThisOldGame]

From the title of this thread, it was supposed to be just "gauging interest", but in retrospect it appears to be a notice of intent.
I replied with a warning about the state of affairs on the first day, and you guys just dismissed that and went along with your plan.

Atari artwork is a special case. Besides some Williams films that were sold off, where else do we have the original films to produce exact reproductions? It just seems foolish to me for someone to repro anything Atari without talking to Scott Evans first.

I was thinking the same thing I only saw a few of interest and then saw Matts warning.
I was conacted by others and I contacted others I knew were interested in finiding films or producing it
as I for one will not duplicate anyones efforts and I dont think anybody was going to post a "steak to claim" untill those emails or pms were answered.

The OP mentioned alot of talk about sideart so I can only asumme those came out of other posts and not this one.

projects can take longer than expected if your wanting it done right or the best possible.
ICB side art is an example we worked on that well over a year.
Chenyne side art we could print today wouldnt be right but you could have it now if you really really want it.

also after looking at this art closely its not somthing that could eaisly be vectored.
and having a good NOS piece to work from is esstenial and for the record you CANNOT do this art from Pics.

and did I hear that right $200 for the NOS art?? that really sounds about right if you do your reserach on other pieces
they tend to fall in that same price range.

 

[mattosborn]

I'm sorry if my original post was not clear. I assumed that the people "in the know" would chime in with details. I have nothing to do with it... I just know some very dedicated people have worked hard to give Assault some much deserved love lately.
John and Rob, I wish you no ill will, I assume your intentions are good. But what you have to understand is that serious collectors will wait for the best quality reproductions to be made.

As for the NOS sideart, $175 is a steal. How often do you see NOS Assault sideart? If I needed a NOS piece for a repro project I wouldn't think twice about paying that.

 

[CocktailDave]

My $.02

I am in the process of restoring my Assault and am very happy to see all the repro items availible now or soon to be. I have purchased the repro cp and will get the screened cpo when it's done.

My game needs sideart just like most and would of course prefer it to be screened. However there has been no announcement, that I have seen, stating that this screened art project is in work.

Is it even close to being started?

If so I will wait a reasonable time for it, but if not, ink will have to do. I have plenty of other projects and I want to get this one in the books this Summer/Fall.

Dave

 

[Muel]

Back to the 'Gauging Interest' portion and the original intent of the post...

I'd be in for a set if it became available...

+1

-Muel