Are we slowly killing this forum - and perhaps our own hobby?

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What troubles me is the complete lack of empathy for the guy, or the situation, by many members here.

I'm NOT condoning his reaction or behavior. He got upset, and said things that he should not have, and a temp ban is 100% appropriate.

But I strongly suspect that many other people on this forum, who create and contribute to the community, would also not react kindly to being falsely accused of stealing someone else's work. Have you ever been in that situation? It's not nice.

BOTH sides escalated the situation, and BOTH sides should accept some of the blame, and make amends, for the sake of the entire community. Otherwise you're BOTH ruining things for everyone.

Can you really not put yourself in his shoes? Just for a second? Have you never flown off the handle, ever?

It's easy to write the guy off. What's harder is looking in the mirror.
 
The thing is though Andrewb.... HE's the one who has decided to pick up his toys and leave.... not us. You're talking to the wrong person. He's certainly welcome here... HE CHOSE to leave this community... we didn't push him out. BTW... to be crystal clear... my criticism isn't at his response to DogP (and others)... my criticism is at his decision to pick up his toys and leave when confronted with what I consider a pretty small number of people giving him a "hard time".
 
The thing is though Andrewb.... HE's the one who has decided to pick up his toys and leave.... not us. You're talking to the wrong person. He's certainly welcome here... HE CHOSE to leave this community... we didn't push him out. BTW... to be crystal clear... my criticism isn't at his response to DogP (and others)... my criticism is at his decision to pick up his toys and leave when confronted with what I consider a pretty small number of people giving him a "hard time".



Have you ever been pushed to the point of walking away from a situation?
 
Have you ever been pushed to the point of walking away from a situation?

Not by a couple of people nagging at me in a forum on the internet. Not even close. Re-read that thread... it didn't even get all that heated. The guy just decided to flip the bird to the entire community over... weaksauce.
 
This forum was strong before the social media explosion and there was little other options back then, but changes in tech occurred, and the migration to social media as a (more far-reaching and efficient) means of reaching/connecting with people was imminent.

Not sure I'd attribute the migration to Facebook to the coarseness of this forum per se, more of a evolution of circumstances in tech and communications.
 
Not by a couple of people nagging at me in a forum on the internet. Not even close. Re-read that thread... it didn't even get all that heated. The guy just decided to flip the bird to the entire community over... weaksauce.


That's not what I asked. I'm not asking you to justify his actions, or judge the situation. I'm asking you to understand how the guy feels.
 
Boils down to a simple thing....

Even if someone could and would try to repro a B raze kit....they need some pokeys!
 
That's not what I asked. I'm not asking you to justify his actions, or judge the situation. I'm asking you to understand how the guy feels.

But I don't. No. I've never gotten so angry/butthurt/sad/upset at a small group of people in any setting that I said "screw it" and left the entire scene because of it.

When I was in school, I never got so worked up over an individual or a couple individuals in my "group" that I decided to go hang out somewhere else because of them.

So no... I can't empathize with the man in this situation. Not even a little. A few people were giving him a hard time. Most people would simply either ignore the haters and move on... address the haters... and move on... or some combination of the two... but they would move on. They wouldn't get so worked up over a COUPLE PEOPLE (was it more than 2?) that they eschewed an entire group because of it.

That's called "immaturity". Again, if I didn't know better... I'd have thought this discussion was about someone who's social skills were still in development (hence my 12 year old comments).

The guy needs to grow up and get over it. The world does not revolve around him and a couple people attacking him does not equal the entire forum being bad-seeds.
 
Have you ever been pushed to the point of walking away from a situation?

Hmm... while I didn't witness this event, I did have this occur last year with the MH, as some surely remember.

I hate to think I had thin skin, as most things in life I let roll off me, but the e-mails and a bunch of other factors were coming in that didn't show up in the forums. That made me want to walk away from the project. (project only)

I think for me it was also being at a point in the project where I was stuck on a problem that was taking too long (in my mind) to resolve, then to have the negativity coming at me from a different direction just made me wonder why was I wasting my time on it. But I am pretty hard on myself when I feel like I give my word to do something and I feel like I may fail at it.

I can't say that Allelectronics felt the same way. I probably should read the thread. But the post title stuck out to me because it was nice to see that some people do care when things are tough for someone trying to use his talent. I don't agree with slinging childish remarks to people, but I was called childish for simply having a breaking point, which looking back I think was uncalled for by that person.
 
Isn't this precisely how AHA was formed? Or am I missing something?

That is great!!! LOL


on a more serious note, some of y'all are a bit much to deal with on here. I never get really in the middle of things but there are about 10 main KLOVers that are almost always on board to get in the hard discussions. I am not say anyone is bad I just know that if I was getting a bit upset on here or more I wouldn't stand a chance against some of y'all. tough crowd, yes.... important group of people that love and respect this hobby, also yes and that is why I love it here.

No shots fired, just felt like getting my 2 pesos in on this matter.
 
Well, here is how I keep myself from getting overly-sensitive in some of these discussions. I always remember...If I'm not looking for your approval, your DISAPPROVAL is equally meaningless. :)
 
I really think some of you guys are blowing this way out of proportion. I'm over it (I can't say I was ever "under it"), and I'm sure the other guy is as well. There was nothing truly hurtful said or done... just some accusations and childish behavior. He's from RGVAC days... he's no stranger to drama, flaming, etc.

People don't always agree, and I'm not sorry for what I said... but I'm sorry that my comments contributed to all this drama. I'm not on Facebook, and he's banned from here, so I don't have a way to contact him... but if he does want to chat (like adults), someone who is in his group is welcome to send him my contact info.

DogP
 
People don't always agree, and I'm not sorry for what I said... but I'm sorry that my comments contributed to all this drama. I'm not on Facebook, and he's banned from here, so I don't have a way to contact him... but if he does want to chat (like adults), someone who is in his group is welcome to send him my contact info.

DogP

mic drop!!!! Way to wet-blanket a thread DogP! Sheesh.. ;)
 
I really think some of you guys are blowing this way out of proportion. I'm over it (I can't say I was ever "under it"), and I'm sure the other guy is as well. There was nothing truly hurtful said or done... just some accusations and childish behavior. He's from RGVAC days... he's no stranger to drama, flaming, etc.

People don't always agree, and I'm not sorry for what I said... but I'm sorry that my comments contributed to all this drama. I'm not on Facebook, and he's banned from here, so I don't have a way to contact him... but if he does want to chat (like adults), someone who is in his group is welcome to send him my contact info.

DogP

I think this comment is kind of the point. It is dripping with passive aggressive statements.

It wasn't a big deal to you. It was to him.

You're not sorry for what you said.

If he does want to chat (LIKE ADULTS)

You could have said the same thing while skipping these 3 parts (just the caps in the 3rd) and had the same basic statement.

I'm not saying you meant any of this that way, but with text only communication, a lack of voice inflection causes a simple off the cuff comment to be takes way to seriously.


I also don't have any Vector stuff, so I really don't care about this topic.

But, I wanted to toss in my 2 cents. (Which is where the original problem came in, an unhelpful 2 cents.)

And Dogp has helped me in threads in the past, so I'm pretty sure he is generally a good guy.

Edit: I'm also guilty of making these same mistakes too.
 
I think this comment is kind of the point. It is dripping with passive aggressive statements.

It wasn't a big deal to you. It was to him.

You're not sorry for what you said.

If he does want to chat (LIKE ADULTS)

You could have said the same thing while skipping these 3 parts (just the caps in the 3rd) and had the same basic statement.

I'm not saying you meant any of this that way, but with text only communication, a lack of voice inflection causes a simple off the cuff comment to be takes way to seriously.


I also don't have any Vector stuff, so I really don't care about this topic.

But, I wanted to toss in my 2 cents. (Which is where the original problem came in, an unhelpful 2 cents.)

And Dogp has helped me in threads in the past, so I'm pretty sure he is generally a good guy.

Edit: I'm also guilty of making these same mistakes too.

...and just when you think the fire is out.
 
...and just when you think the fire is out.

Some people just want to see the world burn?

I think my point is: communicating kindly and politely in such a way as to not be taken in a negative way by anyone is hard.

I don't think this forum is a "safe space" so those of us that can only communicate in safe spaces won't do well here.
 
mic drop!!!! Way to wet-blanket a thread DogP! Sheesh.. ;)
Sorry... it seems that visionik did put a lot of effort into this post, so feel free to continue discussing like it's a life or death situation. ;)

It wasn't a big deal to you. It was to him.

You're not sorry for what you said.
I'm not really sure it was a big deal to him either. It seemed like he's a hothead and flaming is his normal reaction. I didn't take any of it to be personal. And like I said... we don't always agree... I stand behind my statements/thoughts/etc, and he probably stands behind his. We can have civil discussions with people we don't agree with.

If he does want to chat (LIKE ADULTS)
Okay... fine, that was a bit of a dig... but also serious. If he is for some reason worked up about it, give him more time to chill. He may also not want to chat, which is fine. I wish him the best on his projects.

DogP
 
Isn't this precisely how AHA was formed? Or am I missing something?

Did I ever leave? Nope. AHA was formed basically because I was pissy at the ownership of this forum (at the time). I didn't pick up my toys and leave... I simply created a separate playground where I could enjoy the asshattery that was frowned upon here.

No?
 
Some people just want to see the world burn?

I think my point is: communicating kindly and politely in such a way as to not be taken in a negative way by anyone is hard.

I don't think this forum is a "safe space" so those of us that can only communicate in safe spaces won't do well here.

Just jokes...you and I are in complete agreement on civility in communications. :)
 
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