Are there good 19" CRT Monitors anywhere in the world?

[LyonsArcade]

It's all over the news too about how dishonest the Chinese government is. Everything from lying about the value of their currency, to even lying about the age of their gymnasts at the last olympics.


I do like their 60 in 1 boards though. LOL

 

[LyonsArcade]

you are the most chinese products hater I ever saw
And yes I will go again to china soon and enjoy the cool arcades they have there in my free time,which they have only chinese parts and are full of hundreds of people playing.

He's not the biggest chinese hater around. In America we're swamnped with cheap Chinese crap.

 

[gamefixer]

you are the most chinese products hater I ever saw

With good reason my good sir, its crap.

 

[gamefixer]

He's not the biggest chinese hater around. In America we're swamnped with cheap Chinese crap.

I think my sig rubs some people the wrong way. Thats the nicer version too.

Matt

 

[sosage]

It's all over the news too about how dishonest the Chinese government is. Everything from lying about the value of their currency, to even lying about the age of their gymnasts at the last olympics.

Come on now. You know you could replace "Chinese" with the name of any other society and that statement would still stand (except maybe the gymnast part...on second thought, you know what? I bet it still would work.).

So who provides solid, new, CRT arcade monitors?

 

[gamefixer]

Come on now. You know you could replace "Chinese" with the name of any other society and that statement would still stand (except maybe the gymnast part...on second thought, you know what? I bet it still would work.).

Aint that the truth!

I dont know of anyone thats making what I would call good quality monitors these days. If I had to choose it would be Wells I think.

Matt

 

[hisnice]

So what about Korea? Isn't anyone making CRT's there?

 

[gamefixer]

I was going to say that Kortek is OK but they do have their downfalls. I dont know of anyone making CRT monitors under 27" other then the two that are listed above.

 

[Homepin]

Made in China = Excellent Quality at a stupidly cheap price!

I am an importer mainly selling electronics to Australia and the stuff I buy is simply BRILLIANT!

There are some on here that are obviously buying from idiot 'sourcing agents' and THEY are the ones to blame my friends NOT the Chinese. Yes, blame your AMERICAN, tightarse BUYERS - not the Chinese.

Sourcing agents will screw the factory down to the last cent for the best price and - guess what - the Chinese will make ANY quality level you order.

Here is a factory I buy CRT PC monitors from BUILT TO MY SPECIFICATIONS.......I do not try to screw the factory to their lowest price, I pay about $3 more for each unit and I always get TOP QUALITY products.

and 5 year olds ARE NOT building things in China - that's just more bullshit from those who listen to fools and anti-Chinese morons........go there and have a look for yourselves.

 

[TheDrewster]

New monitor= $200-something.

Refurbishing an old monitor= $20 for cap kits, pots, and solder + <$20 for a compatible thrift-store TV for a new tube +1 day off from work = a like-new monitor for <$40

 

[smalltownguy2]

Sure, it's OT, but I feel compelled to comment.

Saying that products made in china are junk because they are always going bad is not a very productive statement. As a route operator, I dont' care if you have 10,000 units on route - you can't compare failure rates unless you have significant sample size for both chinese AND non-chinese products. The fact of the matter is since there is such a proliferation of chinese products, it's near impossible to gather significant statistical data on NON chinese products to compare to.

If you have 1000 games on route and you have 100 monitors go down in a year that are chinese made, your 10% failure rate can NOT be compared to your 5 non-Chinese monitors that went down.

Sorry, but I don't buy into the Chinese = crap rhetoric. But then again, I fundamentally don't like to buy into generalizations anyway.

 

[oyama82]

Made in China = Excellent Quality at a stupidly cheap price!

I am an importer mainly selling electronics to Australia and the stuff I buy is simply BRILLIANT!

There are some on here that are obviously buying from idiot 'sourcing agents' and THEY are the ones to blame my friends NOT the Chinese. Yes, blame your AMERICAN, tightarse BUYERS - not the Chinese.

Sourcing agents will screw the factory down to the last cent for the best price and - guess what - the Chinese will make ANY quality level you order.

Here is a factory I buy CRT PC monitors from BUILT TO MY SPECIFICATIONS.......I do not try to screw the factory to their lowest price, I pay about $3 more for each unit and I always get TOP QUALITY products.

and 5 year olds ARE NOT building things in China - that's just more bullshit from those who listen to fools and anti-Chinese morons........go there and have a look for yourselves.

thats my man!

 

[VectorJunkie]

Looks like can put out some real quality in that clean, static free environment.

Seriously though we keep having quality problems at several contract manufacturers over there and we are using the really big companies. Not sure the reason for the decline in quality, but there is a pretty serious problem.

 

[gamefixer]

Made in China = Excellent Quality at a stupidly cheap price!

I am an importer mainly selling electronics to Australia and the stuff I buy is simply BRILLIANT!

I'm coming from the point of view of the stuff that I get my hands on. The Chinese products that get installed into my machines are GARBAGE. If your PC monitors built to your specs are so wonderful then thats great. The difference there is that they are built to YOUR specs not the specs of some cost cutter either here in the US or there in China. I dont care where the cost cutting is coming from the bottom line is that the stuff is built in China and it fails like its going out of style.

As I mentioned before, kids toys with lead paint, poison cat and dog food, bad milk, SARS, Avian Bird Flu, ALL came from China. I'm not saying that other countries never crossed this line but with China its over and over and over again. They never learn.

You guys are more then welcome to enjoy China and its products. Until they impress me with some sort of Q&A I'm sticking to my sig and will stay away from stuff built there as much as humanly possible.

Your not going to change my mind and I dont care if you guys think I'm being childish. Its my money so forgive me if I expect to get quality hardware out of it.

 

[gamefixer]

Sure, it's OT, but I feel compelled to comment.

Saying that products made in china are junk because they are always going bad is not a very productive statement. As a route operator, I dont' care if you have 10,000 units on route - you can't compare failure rates unless you have significant sample size for both chinese AND non-chinese products. The fact of the matter is since there is such a proliferation of chinese products, it's near impossible to gather significant statistical data on NON chinese products to compare to.

If you have 1000 games on route and you have 100 monitors go down in a year that are chinese made, your 10% failure rate can NOT be compared to your 5 non-Chinese monitors that went down.

Sorry, but I don't buy into the Chinese = crap rhetoric. But then again, I fundamentally don't like to buy into generalizations anyway.

Hows being in the Coin-Op business for 25+ years for a "significant sample size for both chinese AND non-chinese products?" Back in the 80's when stuff was built in the US, Germany, Spain, Japan and Canada our failure rates were less then 2% (except the Vector monitors).

10% monitor failures in 1000 games is not acceptable when you are buying new games to the tune of $6k - $25k. If those games fail after a few months it pisses you off. If it was only monitors failing at a rate of 10% that would be one thing. Dont forget that power supplies, PC parts and many of the I/O boards in the games are also built in China. Add those together and your acceptable failure rate comes to over 40%! That simply sucks.

When a game is down we still have to pay for it. The Distributors dont care why its broken, they want their money.

I want more quality products. If they eventually come from China then great.

Like I said, I know that not everything that comes from China sucks but when the odds are something like 90/10 in junks favor its kinda hard to see the good stuff. I'm sure that the Sharp TV hanging on my wall was made in China and its a pretty nice TV.

 

[oyama82]

nobody can change your mind,you have made your decisions,its ok.
just that chinese products are not crap neither suck in general,thats what I and many others want to say

 

[gamefixer]

nobody can change your mind,you have made your decisions,its ok.
just that chinese products are not crap neither suck in general,thats what I and many others want to say

You have your opinion and I have mine.

 

[hisnice]

I haven't commented yet, because I was hoping that this thread would eventually be about monitors and not debating racism.

BUT the Aussie is right. When I worked in India, all the cheap stuff (tools, guitars, whatever) was built in India and if you wanted quality, you bought Chinese. The importers in India chose higher quality stuff to import because that's when Indian buyers chose to buy imported goods.

In the US, I suspect that most buyers who want quality choose American or Japanese or European. We think "why would we pay more for Chinese" since the vast vast majority of Chinese goods that we import are imported because they're the cheapest. Wal-mart doesn't search the globe for the highest quality products! They only only only want CHEAP! That's their market. That's a HUGE chunk of American buyers.

SO...... the question is, is there a high quality chinese manufacturer that is selling in Oz or Asia or wherever that has not yet realized the demand in the US? I don't want to pay $100 for a monitor that dies in a year, but I DO want to pay $250 for one that's WG/VP quality and lasts 10.

So? Who do I buy from?
AND is it the same factories, but you have to tell them to send the good ones?

 

[oyama82]

I haven't commented yet, because I was hoping that this thread would eventually be about monitors and not debating racism.

BUT the Aussie is right. When I worked in India, all the cheap stuff (tools, guitars, whatever) was built in India and if you wanted quality, you bought Chinese. The importers in India chose higher quality stuff to import because that's when Indian buyers chose to buy imported goods.

In the US, I suspect that most buyers who want quality choose American or Japanese or European. We think "why would we pay more for Chinese" since the vast vast majority of Chinese goods that we import are imported because they're the cheapest. Wal-mart doesn't search the globe for the highest quality products! They only only only want CHEAP! That's their market. That's a HUGE chunk of American buyers.

SO...... the question is, is there a high quality chinese manufacturer that is selling in Oz or Asia or wherever that has not yet realized the demand in the US? I don't want to pay $100 for a monitor that dies in a year, but I DO want to pay $250 for one that's WG/VP quality and lasts 10.

So? Who do I buy from?
AND is it the same factories, but you have to tell them to send the good ones?

at the start of the topic,I send you a well known manufacturer from taiwan(wei ya),you can check it out if you want

 

[gamefixer]

Ken seems to know a thing or two about monitors. I'd go with his suggestion or go the tube swap route. Its not as hard as you might think and the end result is amazing. You can take a 20 year old 4900 or GO7 and breath new life into it with a new tube.

FWIW, I'm not being racist. I grew up in San Francisco, probably the most liberal part of this country. I'm simply stating what I know to be true in the coin-op industry today.