Are Happ 8 Way Competitions Really Noticeably Worse Than IL Euros?

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Are Happ 8 Way Competitions Really Noticeably Worse Than IL Euros?

So really, are they? Are Happ Competitions Really Noticeably Worse Than IL Euros? Or is it a gross exaggeration misrepresented by perfectionists?

I'm talking about home use games, non fighting games. For example, if I put HAPP COMPS in my Sunset Riders & WrestleFest, will they be perfectly acceptable? It's not like I'm trying to pull off fighting combos like SFII or MK games.
As long as it lasts for low home use, and feels good in the hand, will they work perfect for those titles or still be bad/noticeably cheap?
The reason why I ask is because I have big hands, and the ILs are a little bit small in my hand, whereas the HAPP COMPS are larger and fit perfect. The HAPPS I have now are old and loose, so I can't get a good idea of how they should feel in comparison. Plus I'm not a fan of the IL color matching dust/shaft washers, kinda looks color overkill to me instead of black washers. I'll deal with the ILs if it's that much of a difference quality/feel wise for my application.
 
This subject is so over asked it's crazy. You will hear-" It all comes down to preference" Also many people will swear by one or the other and then the thread will get long with bickering over one over the other.
 
This subject is so over asked it's crazy. You will hear-" It all comes down to preference" Also many people will swear by one or the other and then the thread will get long with bickering over one over the other.

I know it's been asked before, and like you said, older similar threads from klov (2012 prior) and other sites are usually hardcore biased and turns into bickering, but many of those old threads are in relation to fighting games. I'm hoping there's new members over the last 6 years that have a different or completely objective opinion to answer my question. I'm almost on the fence with preference, but I'm looking to be swayed for a good reason.
 
The only thing that I've noticed when I purchase both is Happ seem to be more firm in the Press whereas IL seem to be a little more lenient. I don't mind either way, but right now I'm using IL

It is noticeable but not unless you're truly looking for it side by side
 
The only thing that I've noticed when I purchase both is Happ seem to be more firm in the Press whereas IL seem to be a little more lenient. I don't mind either way, but right now I'm using IL
Firm to press like in a bad quality way, or in a good responsive "spring back to center" way?

It is noticeable but not unless you're truly looking for it side by side

So joystick movements are pretty similar or close in response? Would you go as far to say they're nearly identical, and the difference wouldn't be enough to affect game play in most scenarios?
 
Firm to press like in a bad quality way, or in a good responsive "spring back to center" way?



So joystick movements are pretty similar or close in response? Would you go as far to say they're nearly identical, and the difference wouldn't be enough to affect game play in most scenarios?
The biggest thing you notice the difference in is in Fighters like Mortal Kombat or Street Fighter II
 
Gotcha. I have the IL Euros in my MK1 cab. Seem tight and responsive when doing combos. Based on what you're saying it sounds like IL Euros are overkill/unnecessary for my purposes in Sunset Riders and Wrestlefest, and the Happ Competitions will be just fine since I'm not trying to pull off critical move combos.
 
Gotcha. I have the IL Euros in my MK1 cab. Seem tight and responsive when doing combos. Based on what you're saying it sounds like IL Euros are overkill/unnecessary for my purposes in Sunset Riders and Wrestlefest, and the Happ Competitions will be just fine since I'm not trying to pull off critical move combos.
Yeah the Happs are just a tad bit tighter. You should be just fine for Sunset Riders
 
I play a lot of fighting games competitively and used American sticks at very high levels back in the day.

I can tell you without a doubt Happ Comps right now are not good sticks BECAUSE you will miss up / towards or back towards, etc at times. Cheaply made, more prone to issues when playing.

iL are better BUT were basically the Happ Comps back in the day. They weren't great either. Now as far as "preference" goes, this depends on what game you use them on.

Happ Ultimates have a wider angle for blocking. Down Back, Down Towards, etc. Better square gate, great for charge characters in fighting games.

The iL/Comps were good for "circle" gate type players, meaning motion oriented characters, but it was harder to find the "block" corner when playing.

Happ Supers were average, harder to find the block but a wider feel and would have less friction on the switches due to them having those silver blades over the cherries; they would last longer on location vs having to deal with the white actuator on other stickers wearing down.

Also, very important to know that 90s Ultimate sticks >>>>> current ones...all the Happ products are subpar as of the past 10+ years, even the 360 style joysticks.
 
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I can tell you without a doubt Happ Comps right now are not good sticks BECAUSE you will miss up / towards or back towards, etc at times. Cheaply made, more prone to issues when playing.
So even for my intended use with non fighting games, will I still have these issues frequently to the point where the game is unplayable?
From my experience with the IL Euros, I feel like they hit the correct directions 95% or more of the time. If you feel that's accurate, what would you rate the Happ Comp at?

Yeah just watch my video above.

So it's the PVC vs nylon that makes the difference. I understand for fighting games they arent so good, but is it so much of a difference that it's not good enough for the games I intend to use them for?
I think i also noticed you mentioned you swapped out the PVC parts with nylon on your Happ, is that correct?

The biggest reason I'm asking this is because I really love the happ comp bat height vs the IL, it really is that much of a difference to me, so if I could use happ comps on my non fighting games like SS Riders and Wrestlesfest with a negligible difference, and reserve the IL Euros for my fighting games, that's what I'm hoping for, unless the happs are so bad that it's not even worth it for those type games.

If the shaft/stick was interchangeable, this would be a non issue for me.
 
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So even for my intended use with non fighting games, will I still have these issues frequently to the point where the game is unplayable?
From my experience with the IL Euros, I feel like they hit the correct directions 95% or more of the time. If you feel that's accurate, what would you rate the Happ Comp at?



So it's the PVC vs nylon that makes the difference. I understand for fighting games they arent so good, but is it so much of a difference that it's not good enough for the games I intend to use them for?
I think i also noticed you mentioned you swapped out the PVC parts with nylon on your Happ, is that correct?

The biggest reason I'm asking this is because I really love the happ comp bat height vs the IL, it really is that much of a difference to me, so if I could use happ comps on my non fighting games like SS Riders and Wrestlesfest with a negligible difference, and reserve the IL Euros for my fighting games, that's what I'm hoping for, unless the happs are so bad that it's not even worth it for those type games.

If the shaft/stick was interchangeable, this would be a non issue for me.

If it is a non fighting game I don't see the issue much, any fighting games I would not recommend them for. I will say that if you ever do Happ Ultimates in the current batch, those will have a "pop" from the actuator hitting things earlier (when they wear down quicker) way earlier than they should.

So yes, as long as Non fighting games are the thing...
 
So even for my intended use with non fighting games, will I still have these issues frequently to the point where the game is unplayable?
From my experience with the IL Euros, I feel like they hit the correct directions 95% or more of the time. If you feel that's accurate, what would you rate the Happ Comp at?



So it's the PVC vs nylon that makes the difference. I understand for fighting games they arent so good, but is it so much of a difference that it's not good enough for the games I intend to use them for?
I think i also noticed you mentioned you swapped out the PVC parts with nylon on your Happ, is that correct?

The biggest reason I'm asking this is because I really love the happ comp bat height vs the IL, it really is that much of a difference to me, so if I could use happ comps on my non fighting games like SS Riders and Wrestlesfest with a negligible difference, and reserve the IL Euros for my fighting games, that's what I'm hoping for, unless the happs are so bad that it's not even worth it for those type games.

If the shaft/stick was interchangeable, this would be a non issue for me.
For the games you are going to be using the Happs with, they will play great.

IL for 1 on 1 vs. fighting games.
 
based upon overwhelming feedback and my own personal experiences, i'd go iL

put iLs in my Neo Geo, and bought two extras, as they were outta stock for months everywhere (just in case they disappeared indefinitely again)

i'm still hunting for the right Dynamo for my SF2:Hyper/Champ, and will no doubt do iLs again

iL CREW 4 LIFE, SON

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So even for my intended use with non fighting games, will I still have these issues frequently to the point where the game is unplayable?
From my experience with the IL Euros, I feel like they hit the correct directions 95% or more of the time. If you feel that's accurate, what would you rate the Happ Comp at?



So it's the PVC vs nylon that makes the difference. I understand for fighting games they arent so good, but is it so much of a difference that it's not good enough for the games I intend to use them for?
I think i also noticed you mentioned you swapped out the PVC parts with nylon on your Happ, is that correct?

The biggest reason I'm asking this is because I really love the happ comp bat height vs the IL, it really is that much of a difference to me, so if I could use happ comps on my non fighting games like SS Riders and Wrestlesfest with a negligible difference, and reserve the IL Euros for my fighting games, that's what I'm hoping for, unless the happs are so bad that it's not even worth it for those type games.

If the shaft/stick was interchangeable, this would be a non issue for me.
The HAPP competition and IL Eurosticks are exactly the same just made with different materials. The bats are exactly the same length.
 
The HAPP competition and IL Eurosticks are exactly the same just made with different materials. The bats are exactly the same length.

Wow. The whole bat length argument was 50% of my concern, so looked further into this. It seems my Sunset Riders joystick bases are recessed about .25 to .5" into the underside of the control panel, creating the difference when I compare it to my ILs in my MK1.
So now that bat height is the same, and gameplay won't be noticeably different with my style games, it's just a matter if I want to save 5 buck per controller. Lol this thread is a spinner.
 

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