Any lawyers and/or electricians in the house?

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I'm in the middle of building some machines for sale with a friend. He does the cabinetry and I do the electrical and artwork. We finished one cabinet and my friend was talking with his electrician acquaintance. The electrician says that I have to have my machine certified to make sure everything is to code before I sell it to someone else. This would add $200+ (I'm assuming) to the machine.

The machine is a simple CHAMMA setup with LED lighting and fan. I don't see any reason why it would have to go through this rigorous inspection. Anyone have any information on this? If it matters, I'm currently residing in British Columbia.

TAG
 
Certified? like building code certified or UL listed?
 
I'm in the middle of building some machines for sale with a friend. He does the cabinetry and I do the electrical and artwork. We finished one cabinet and my friend was talking with his electrician acquaintance. The electrician says that I have to have my machine certified to make sure everything is to code before I sell it to someone else. This would add $200+ (I'm assuming) to the machine.

The machine is a simple CHAMMA setup with LED lighting and fan. I don't see any reason why it would have to go through this rigorous inspection. Anyone have any information on this? If it matters, I'm currently residing in British Columbia.

TAG

If it was me I would tell him to go get f*cked.
 
i can guarantee you that you are making something custom and if you don't have some testing/labeling on the complete design you are 100% at risk if there is a problem caused by the game you made. for instance something happens and it causes a fire and burns the house down killing the residents and no certifications/UL labeling, etc. plus if your not insured for this you are completely liable. if you do this without safeguards in place then do it at your own risk but in the usa the lawyers would be taking your customers case because its a win for them. this goes for any business that isn't run correctly or has proper safe guards in place to protect you and your customers.

don't get tied up with semantics because the key here is liability and anyone who doesn't agree that you have RISK has never been in business nor has nothing to lose.
 
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My big blue has a UL certification sticker on it. But I don't think any of my other cabs do.

I would venture to speculate, that if you have a business license for producing consumer electronics, there might be some legal requirement to meet the applicable equipment listing(s).

On the same token if the individual components are listed/certified, and are installed in accordance with their installation instructions then you are covered. That is how the US National Electric Code reads, at least.

An example - I am a project manager for a solar electric contractor. We install solar systems on homes. We are required to use listed components and install them in accordance with the installation instructions that accompany them. We are not, however, required to have the complete system listed or certified that comprises the individual components. I'm guessing the same applies to your situation.

However, from a liability standpoint, it might not hurt to consult with an attorney or subject matter expert, to give yourself some assurance. A couple hundred bucks paid to get good advice will probably return dividends, should someone ever get hurt because they decided to tinker around in one of your products, and then come after you because they did.

My $.02.
 
Certified for what ?

UL, ETL, TVU ? This will cost you TENS of THOUSANDS of dollars.

You can sell anything you want without any kind of certification.
Just ground the hell out of anything metal and make sure everything
is properly fused.

Most major businesses will not buy anything electrical without
the above certification.

JD
 
You are running some shady pseudo-business to make a quick buck. You are going to be liable for damages your products cause. That is one of the costs of doing business.

If you are afraid of being sued, stop selling homemade arcade games for profit.
 
Watch out or Mike Holmes will shut that shit down.
 
Sorry. I did extensive internet research on this subject. It's a song.

That is a song about the infamous creature. At 5:26 you can see one in the background playing the chalumeau (they are proficient at all single-reed woodwinds, not just the clarinet).
 
The electrician is just suggesting having a person from a hundred miles away to do the certification. To me, it seems like it is extreme overkill. If a computer shop can purchase individual components and put them together to make a workable machine, I can't see how this would be any different.
 
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