Another Billy Mitchell lawsuit?

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YouTuber Karl Jobst Sued By Billy Mitchell

Billy Mitchell launches another defamation claim.

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YouTuber Karl Jobst Sued By Billy Mitchell
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Billy Mitchell launches another defamation claim.

"Warning: This article contains references to suicide." So they warn you with another reference? And we need a warning that suicide is a thing? This is what society has become, folks.

 

[mecha]

"Warning: This article contains references to suicide." So they warn you with another reference? And we need a warning that suicide is a thing? This is what society has become, folks.

Apollo Legend did in fact kill himself after being sued into oblivion by a manchild clinging to things he did then about 40 years ago.

people killing themselves over petty lawsuits to cover up long standing lies definitely shouldn't be a thing at all.

 

[coinopper]

The bit with Richard Mallion is hilarious.

 

[ieure]

Unbelievable. This scumbag got his fake score on a DKWITH BLACK T-MOULDING!!!

 

[Tombo]

Assuming the the game is coded to only respond to 1 switch at a time anyway, depending on actual hand movement, wouldn't two switches activating milliseconds apart contain a 50/50 chance of activating either switch?

 

[ieure]

Assuming the the game is coded to only respond to 1 switch at a time anyway, depending on actual hand movement, wouldn't two switches activating milliseconds apart contain a 50/50 chance of activating either switch?

I definitely don't know exactly how DK works in this regard, but I'd be surprised if the DK fans haven't disassembled the game to see.

It definitely responds to multiple inputs generally, otherwise you wouldn't be able to jump while walking, and coins would fail to add credits if you jumped at the same time, etc. Whether it sees the first joystick input and skips testing the others or not, I don't know.

 

[Tombo]

I definitely don't know exactly how DK works in this regard, but I'd be surprised if the DK fans haven't disassembled the game to see.

It definitely responds to multiple inputs generally, otherwise you wouldn't be able to jump while walking, and coins would fail to add credits if you jumped at the same time, etc. Whether it sees the first joystick input and skips testing the others or not, I don't know.

Good point. I should have written "multiple joystick inputs".

 

[ieure]

Good point. I should have written "multiple joystick inputs".

Okay, I found a disassembly: https://github.com/furrykef/dkdasm/blob/4d296c5737e768c35afdfa2bf64fcadea93a9677/dkong.asm#L5613

The game tests if Jumpman is on a ladder before looking at any right/left directional movement, then jumps to the ladder handling code, which only looks at the up/down movements. The RET at the bottom of the ladder code is going to return control all the way back to the game's main loop, so no further inputs will be handled.

Based on this, I don't think an 8-way joystick lets you steer barrels while on a ladder, like is claimed in a video.

Happy to be proven wrong, how DK works is definitely not my area of expertise.

 

[MIPS]

Who is this guy? Genuine question. Wikipedia says he basically lived in the arcade for years and was made famous by some serious high scores, but made an ass of himself after being disqualified and even sued Guinness to reinstate his world record?
Most of the discussions I'm aware of around t his guy break down in turbo-autism levels of analyzing compressed video frames and analyzing game code, pointing in either direction that he was cheating, a c-ray glitched the game at a random moment or was not actually using genuine hardware. At the same time he pops up from time to time as a joke.

 

[CharlieG]

Unbelievable. This scumbag got his fake score on a DKWITH BLACK T-MOULDING!!!

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Those buttons and paint job look like fake BS too!

 

[Dillweed]

Those buttons and paint job look like fake BS too!

That's what I thought as well. I wonder how much of the cabinet is original..could be a complete repro with a Vision-Pro monitor

 

[CharlieG]

That's what I thought as well. I wonder how much of the cabinet is original..could be a complete repro with a Vision-Pro monitor

Scratch build with a 60-in-1!

 

[DonPanetta]

The high score speed run community just screwed themselves again thanks to a video from a group of people that don't play arcade games. Using the rationale in this video, is this already extremely toxic community going to actually begin the process of disqualifying or at least begin to question high scores made years ago because of joysticks? This argument is really setting an extremely dangerous precedent to invalidate decades of scores just to dunk on one man.

99.9 percent of the people spreading this and posting their opinions on this video can't even identify the stick used in that photo.

 

[Dillweed]

The high score speed run community just screwed themselves again thanks to a video from a group of people that don't play arcade games. Using the rationale in this video, is this already extremely toxic community going to actually begin the process of disqualifying or at least begin to question high scores made years ago because of joysticks? This argument is really setting an extremely dangerous precedent to invalidate decades of scores just to dunk on one man.

99.9 percent of the people spreading this and posting their opinions on this video can't even identify the stick used in that photo.

At first when I heard the whole joystick thing, I thought "I don't see how that will hold up in court any more than Bitchell's bullshit" but then I noticed that a bunch of stuff looks un-original and there's certainly more than meets the eye.

 

[DonPanetta]

At first when I heard the whole joystick thing, I thought "I don't see how that will hold up in court any more than Bitchell's bullshit" but then I noticed that a bunch of stuff looks un-original and there's certainly more than meets the eye.

I'm not here to defend Billy Mitchell. I've never met him and personally i think most people that obsess over high scores are neck beards.

But using this joystick mentally as the basis to invalidate a high score means we need to put into question nearly every high score on twin galaxies.

even asenine things like aftermarket wico grommets must come into play here. Unobtainium joysticks like the original happ competition, the entire wico, suzo and other sticks which are no longer in production would mean 90% or more high cabinets would be invalidated from competing for high scores.

What would make an acceptable replacement? Certainly not newer Chinese made suzo happ sticks made of different materials and inferior microswitches.

 

[MIPS]

Sounds like turbo levels of autism when you start breaking qualifications down to the vintage of the fasteners, bushings and grommets. Consumables you have no hope of getting 1:1 genuine replacements for and thus you can fault on petty crap.

 

[HudsonArcade]

Assuming the the game is coded to only respond to 1 switch at a time anyway, depending on actual hand movement, wouldn't two switches activating milliseconds apart contain a 50/50 chance of activating either switch?

I've never looked at the DK code in particular, but in general most games only check the switches during the ISR, and the check bits in order, so one direction will have priority over the other, and the timing is irrelevant unless the one closes before the scan and the other closes just after.

If someone wanted to "cheat" with an 8-way stick, it'd be easier to swap in a vs 8-way stick or just alter the restrictor plate on the DK stick.

That whole cab looks like a reproduction, anyway -- it appears to be painted, but joystick and buttons are all wrong...

 

[rod90]

This is like arguing over officiating in a football game. Calls were made and missed. It is now history, get over it.

 

[callanbrown]

Okay, I found a disassembly: https://github.com/furrykef/dkdasm/blob/4d296c5737e768c35afdfa2bf64fcadea93a9677/dkong.asm#L5613

The game tests if Jumpman is on a ladder before looking at any right/left directional movement, then jumps to the ladder handling code, which only looks at the up/down movements. The RET at the bottom of the ladder code is going to return control all the way back to the game's main loop, so no further inputs will be handled.

Based on this, I don't think an 8-way joystick lets you steer barrels while on a ladder, like is claimed in a video.

Happy to be proven wrong, how DK works is definitely not my area of expertise.

I found some info here that says the important point is in the barrel's decision routines, not in the ladder routines.

If the Barrel's X position is equal to jumpman's X position, then the barrel will go down the ladder. This means if jumpman is on the ladder, or on a ladder exactly underneath the one the barrel is deciding to go down, or standing exactly underneath it, then the barrel will take the ladder.

If not, then the game checks to see if the barrel is to the left or to the right of jumpman's position. If the barrel is to the left of jumpman and his joystick is pushed to the left, then the barrel will take the ladder. If the barrel is to the right of jumpman and the joystick is pushed to the right, then the barrel will take the ladder.

 

[putyoursoxon]

Sounds like turbo levels of autism when you start breaking qualifications down to the vintage of the fasteners, bushings and grommets. Consumables you have no hope of getting 1:1 genuine replacements for and thus you can fault on petty crap.

You're missing the point and being diagnosed with autism isn't a requirement you just need to be able to read it's not about the fact that the score is automatically rejected because the joystick is different. But if you read the text of Billy's lawsuit

"Mitchell submitted a declaration from the vendor attesting to the condition of the machine and that it contained original unmodified hardware for the world record attempt."

And you can't state he's talking about the board, because separately he states a "senior Nintendo engineer " verified the board. This about TG and Karl getting their lawsuits dismissed