SRW
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Because he doesn't have it yet...
http://cgi.ebay.com/First-ever-comm...008?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aac858380
A $10,000 computer space!
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Because he doesn't have it yet...
http://cgi.ebay.com/First-ever-comm...008?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aac858380
R3LL1K
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Says the guy with a clown avatar.
That's not a clown, that's Rockso "The Rock n Roll Clown" huge difference , huge!
Key word being 'try'.... he'll be holding onto that for quite a while. Sucks regardless as it should be in the hands of someone who gives a rats ass about it, not some greedy ass retailer with poor grammar.
sandmanx
Member
It was in the back in a small un-air conditioned area behind about 8 other games. I couldn't get close enough to it to see what was on it, but the cab looked to be in good shape.
Yeah. Another thing he said was he's had some problems with KLOV (which he pronounced like it rhymes with suave) and that was part of his motivation to do it.
Someone needs to tell him it ain't the 90s and/or early 2000s anymore. We see a lot of these types... its like they think the economy shouldn't have any effect on game prices. From old operators to opportunists who want to flip a game for a big payday... they overprice games and refuse to accept a more realistic market value.
Sadly, all it will take for him to keep believing his own bullshit is for someone to show interest in the game and pay even half of his asking. Even if he makes over 100% mark-up he'll justify his pricing and maintain his belief the market is as crazy as it was back in the late 90s/early 00s. Those were great times but as its been said, most of the collectors got their pieces back then....the late comers soon followed. He's got $1700 (or more) into it, so I'm sure he won't be budging for anything less than $3500. Who knows, he might get it...
If he's a cool guy then I have no problem with him being in retail. Retailers are in business to make money. If he's a jerk, has shitty grammar, unrealistic expectations, and is all high and mighty over KLOV, then it's better off that he stay far far away. Don't want 'em, don't need 'em.
Although it would be fun to point fingers at him about his crappy grammar. That never gets old.
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CrazyKongFan
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That's awesome...
NoahsArcade
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I love klov.
derSturm
Permanently Banned
I'm new here and relatively new to the hobby and I don't want to make any enemies; there's a ton of stuff I crave to know that I can learn here and only here. I need KLOV. But I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon when I don't agree, not on KLOV nor at work nor in politics, religion, my children's education, beer-induced meaningless weekend philosophy, anything.
I know this guy. I've traded with, and bought from, him and I've been treated fairly and gotten fair deals from the get-go. I am a collector, not a dealer. It's all emotion for me, not practicality. (There is NOTHING practical about collecting wood and tube monsters). He is a dealer first and foremost. He is in it for the money. But he does have a few machines in his home that aren't for sale and never will be. So go figure.
I've gotten Moon Patrol, Front Line, Spy Hunter, Missile Command (all full size standups), and a Midway Space Invaders bezel from him, either by trade or cash purchase. Judging by eBay, Craig's List, KLOV contacts, and the varied assorted locals whom I have dealt with, his products are firm and his prices are fair. This is the bottom line, genuinely. (He will, of course, initially ask for more than he will take; he's a dealer. He's in business. He isn't getting out of bed every morning shooting for starvation!) He's always gone the extra mile for me, ala the ideal businessman. I will deal with him, again.
It's true he's no former spelling bee champion nor grammatologist. I don't know what he might have been thinking about during seventh grade English; I'm sure he never considered pursuing a liberal arts' degree. He knows his stuff when it comes to radio control and is becoming adept at arcade video game repair and restoration.
The hard, cold, brutal is that he won the auction on the Computer Space. I tried to convince him to-- upon receipt of course-- keep it in his shop indefinitely and to tag some of his store advertisements with a "Come by and see our Computer Space!" addendum, in order to draw some segment of the general public and, more pertinently, one of the arcade community. I might have even suggested he put a $10,000 price tag on it during the time being, in order to maintain his capitalist stance and hereby justify the machine's taking up space in his store. [MY main motivation was getting to see the thing before he sold it; I live 2 hours from his shop and have never seen a Computer Space!]
Anywho~ It's America. He's a dealer. He won the auction for it. It's his property and he can price it at three 19 year-old triplets and a dead babboon if he desires it.
Or, as I've told him, he can sell it to me for $100. Whichever.
I know this guy. I've traded with, and bought from, him and I've been treated fairly and gotten fair deals from the get-go. I am a collector, not a dealer. It's all emotion for me, not practicality. (There is NOTHING practical about collecting wood and tube monsters). He is a dealer first and foremost. He is in it for the money. But he does have a few machines in his home that aren't for sale and never will be. So go figure.
I've gotten Moon Patrol, Front Line, Spy Hunter, Missile Command (all full size standups), and a Midway Space Invaders bezel from him, either by trade or cash purchase. Judging by eBay, Craig's List, KLOV contacts, and the varied assorted locals whom I have dealt with, his products are firm and his prices are fair. This is the bottom line, genuinely. (He will, of course, initially ask for more than he will take; he's a dealer. He's in business. He isn't getting out of bed every morning shooting for starvation!) He's always gone the extra mile for me, ala the ideal businessman. I will deal with him, again.
It's true he's no former spelling bee champion nor grammatologist. I don't know what he might have been thinking about during seventh grade English; I'm sure he never considered pursuing a liberal arts' degree. He knows his stuff when it comes to radio control and is becoming adept at arcade video game repair and restoration.
The hard, cold, brutal is that he won the auction on the Computer Space. I tried to convince him to-- upon receipt of course-- keep it in his shop indefinitely and to tag some of his store advertisements with a "Come by and see our Computer Space!" addendum, in order to draw some segment of the general public and, more pertinently, one of the arcade community. I might have even suggested he put a $10,000 price tag on it during the time being, in order to maintain his capitalist stance and hereby justify the machine's taking up space in his store. [MY main motivation was getting to see the thing before he sold it; I live 2 hours from his shop and have never seen a Computer Space!]
Anywho~ It's America. He's a dealer. He won the auction for it. It's his property and he can price it at three 19 year-old triplets and a dead babboon if he desires it.
Or, as I've told him, he can sell it to me for $100. Whichever.
z3k3
Well-known member
I think the main issue is misleading the public in saying it's one of 10 made when in fact this is unproven. Couple that with a 10k asking price, and it's going to ruffle feathers.
Callan had two. Mylstar had one. Videotopia had one. I was recently offered one in a bulk purchase. That makes five. Add the cab listed on CL and you have 6. I realize some of those went on to other collectors, but let's look at VAPS. 6 Yellow Computer Space cabs are registered. Doing the maths, it's extremely unlikely there were only 10 made.
My other issue would be that he's selling something he likely doesn't have in his possession and hasn't even taken his own pics. Trying to sell something for 10k with zero work or effort is pretty lame.
derSturm
Permanently Banned
I hear ya. Of course I do. But I think that if he said there were only 10 made it's merely that he was misinformed (if, in fact, this IS misinformation) by someone he trusted (who knows who?) and made the mistake of running with it. You all have to admit that there's no definitive documentation readily available regarding the 1970 production run at Nutting Associates. (Of course, the fact I just presented could be used to argue against my contentions; one could say that he was aiming to use this paucity of data in his favor.)
I just want to say a few things and then I'll aim to shut up:
1) I think he's a relatively honest fellow. Relative Socrates, Jesus, Ghandi, Emily Dickinson, myself, Donald Trump, George Bush, Osama Bin Laden, Barrack Obama... I believe he is an honest fellow.
2) No one here, as informed as they be, would pay $10K for it, anyway; if someone out there did buy into the alleged production figure hype (if, in fact, it was) and so buy the machine for $10K then he/she would become but another in a LONG line (10 billion strong and growing) of people throughout history who have paid, and are as I type this paying, too much for knowing too little. No more, no less. The way the world works. Such is trade; such is life.
3) If the hypothetical purchase as mentioned above led to the inflation of prices on Computer Space's then this would indeed harm those of us who want one while benefiting those of them who have one; however, in the long run (and we're talking 6 months TOPS here) the truth (if, in fact, there ever was a falsehood) would, as always, level the market after all and no one would be disadvantaged relative before. Except, of course, for being older. And so why all the angst over such a nominal thing?
4) I came back here just now ONLY to add this little statement (before opting to add those above this): I talked with this guy yesterday. I bought a Spy Hunter and a Missile Command from him, in fact. One of the first things he asked me was, "Did you see all the forum posts on KLOV about me?" I was like, "I don't know you on KLOV." I didn't find all this until this morning. My point is this: Regarding the allegations that he has made statements regarding starting a new Houston, Texas-based network for the buying/selling/trading of arcade video game machines due to the fact that he finds KLOV insufficient, that he has, in fact, "dissed" KLOV, the FACT is this...
He considers KLOV to be (as we all do) the best depository of information regarding arcade video games on the planet. He uses KLOV for this as we all do. His ONLY perceived criticism of KLOV is that, as a dealer, KLOV is not the greatest medium for buying/selling/trading. Let's face it: we're collectors. We rarely if ever want to get rid of anything we've got. We list some machines "for sale" and we make "wanted" lists and all, but- hell- I've been listed here for months and haven't gotten more than two bites/offers, yet. The site itself tells you to try eBay and Craig's List for buying and selling! Many users don't update their lists often enough. I have sent out at least 35 emails inquiring as to listed games for sale and have found 1, 2 MAYBE 3 replies stating anything other than, "Sorry. I sold that one months/years ago."
Despite all the he said/she said, this guy's ONLY issue with KLOV (and, hence, the ONLY impetus for his wanting to establish an additional resource) is that KLOV is NOT the greatest place for buying and selling. And it isn't!
Finally: I'll tell you guys this... If I had a nice, working Computer Space (and his will be, despite how he receives it, I assure you) I wouldn't take less than $10K for it. Not unless my daughters were starving. I love these old things that much.
That's all I'm saying. If he was consciously and intentionally attempting to misrepresent the product for the aim of private gain than he had me fooled. I'll watch him more closely from this point. Dealers are, after all, a service to collectors, like this or not, in stamps and coins and antiques and everything else collected. They're not all honest and none of them are perfect, God and we all know this. The only thing one can know is that they're in it for the profit. Knowing this is all we need to know in order to go about making them useful.
"Most facts are brutal." -Colonel Travis, best line from John Wayne's "The Alamo".
I just want to say a few things and then I'll aim to shut up:
1) I think he's a relatively honest fellow. Relative Socrates, Jesus, Ghandi, Emily Dickinson, myself, Donald Trump, George Bush, Osama Bin Laden, Barrack Obama... I believe he is an honest fellow.
2) No one here, as informed as they be, would pay $10K for it, anyway; if someone out there did buy into the alleged production figure hype (if, in fact, it was) and so buy the machine for $10K then he/she would become but another in a LONG line (10 billion strong and growing) of people throughout history who have paid, and are as I type this paying, too much for knowing too little. No more, no less. The way the world works. Such is trade; such is life.
3) If the hypothetical purchase as mentioned above led to the inflation of prices on Computer Space's then this would indeed harm those of us who want one while benefiting those of them who have one; however, in the long run (and we're talking 6 months TOPS here) the truth (if, in fact, there ever was a falsehood) would, as always, level the market after all and no one would be disadvantaged relative before. Except, of course, for being older. And so why all the angst over such a nominal thing?
4) I came back here just now ONLY to add this little statement (before opting to add those above this): I talked with this guy yesterday. I bought a Spy Hunter and a Missile Command from him, in fact. One of the first things he asked me was, "Did you see all the forum posts on KLOV about me?" I was like, "I don't know you on KLOV." I didn't find all this until this morning. My point is this: Regarding the allegations that he has made statements regarding starting a new Houston, Texas-based network for the buying/selling/trading of arcade video game machines due to the fact that he finds KLOV insufficient, that he has, in fact, "dissed" KLOV, the FACT is this...
He considers KLOV to be (as we all do) the best depository of information regarding arcade video games on the planet. He uses KLOV for this as we all do. His ONLY perceived criticism of KLOV is that, as a dealer, KLOV is not the greatest medium for buying/selling/trading. Let's face it: we're collectors. We rarely if ever want to get rid of anything we've got. We list some machines "for sale" and we make "wanted" lists and all, but- hell- I've been listed here for months and haven't gotten more than two bites/offers, yet. The site itself tells you to try eBay and Craig's List for buying and selling! Many users don't update their lists often enough. I have sent out at least 35 emails inquiring as to listed games for sale and have found 1, 2 MAYBE 3 replies stating anything other than, "Sorry. I sold that one months/years ago."
Despite all the he said/she said, this guy's ONLY issue with KLOV (and, hence, the ONLY impetus for his wanting to establish an additional resource) is that KLOV is NOT the greatest place for buying and selling. And it isn't!
Finally: I'll tell you guys this... If I had a nice, working Computer Space (and his will be, despite how he receives it, I assure you) I wouldn't take less than $10K for it. Not unless my daughters were starving. I love these old things that much.
That's all I'm saying. If he was consciously and intentionally attempting to misrepresent the product for the aim of private gain than he had me fooled. I'll watch him more closely from this point. Dealers are, after all, a service to collectors, like this or not, in stamps and coins and antiques and everything else collected. They're not all honest and none of them are perfect, God and we all know this. The only thing one can know is that they're in it for the profit. Knowing this is all we need to know in order to go about making them useful.
"Most facts are brutal." -Colonel Travis, best line from John Wayne's "The Alamo".
kspiff
Well-known member
I had a brief, amicable discussion with this guy via email a week or two ago. He posted to HAAG about a Night Driver for $750; I replied stating that particular game is fun, but a nightmare to restore, and that I've had 2 in the past that cost me $50/each working.
We shot the shit a bit, but all I really picked up is that he was buying games for too much (or lying about his cost to obtain), only interested in resale (and as such only interested in profits), and completely green about everything related to the hobby. I even told him I was going to offer $350-400 for his Missile Command, but his practices made me not want to do business with him.
In the end I wished him luck, but confided that I think he is going to be sitting on his games a while at this rate.
We shot the shit a bit, but all I really picked up is that he was buying games for too much (or lying about his cost to obtain), only interested in resale (and as such only interested in profits), and completely green about everything related to the hobby. I even told him I was going to offer $350-400 for his Missile Command, but his practices made me not want to do business with him.
In the end I wished him luck, but confided that I think he is going to be sitting on his games a while at this rate.
sandmanx
Member
Yeah, all of his games are overpriced. I did end up buying a Smash TV from him, but I paid too much for a non tested game. It was sitting over in a storage locker a couple of miles away from the shop, and he said he picked it up, and most others from a warehouse in LA. My Smash TV cab has a city of Hammond, LA sticker on it, so that story sounds plausible. I got lucky and got the game running without putting any money into it, and he was willing to swap the board out for a known working one if the cab I bought had a bad board.
He seems like a reasonable guy, but this is a hard hobby to get into for a retailer and actually make money. I agree he is going to have to come down on his prices or he's going to be sitting on a lot of those games for a while. I don't think him posting he's going to convert almost every machine into a mame cab helps his cause either.
That Frankenstein mame machine he keeps posting is probably going to be sitting there for a long time. It had a x-arcade tankstick and a tv with no bezel over it.
pookdolie
Permanently Banned for excessive trolling.
I know the whereabouts of two working Computer Spaces that I could have for between $2000 - $4000. But that's a lot to pay for something that's gonna sit and look pretty (if I owned it).
Frankly, I'd be more interested in Maneater, with the shark fiberglass cabinet.
Frankly, I'd be more interested in Maneater, with the shark fiberglass cabinet.
