Reddogg
Active member
Hey all, I just finished doing some maintenance and adding a dust disc to my 720 controller, and I noticed some differences in the reassembly procedure than the one on 720zone.
http://www.720zone.com/720-Joystick-Help.html#orientation
I will be using the diagram at the following link to describe parts:
http://www.720zone.com/Jeffs_720_Joystick_Schematic.jpg
First of all, I bought mine a couple of weeks ago in great working condition from KLOV member wisenheimr (great guy to deal with by the way). I noticed today when I took apart the joystick that the opening in the centering disc spacer was not properly lined up with the allen screw at 6 o'clock. Instead, my 6 o'clock opening in the centering disc spacer was at about 8 o'clock. So, of course neither of the centering disc spacer holes for the allen screws were lined up. But, the game has been playing great, and has passed all joystick calibration tests while assembled like this.
I thought it strange, but I kept disassembling everything anyway. After all maintenance was completed, I tried to reassemble the joystick by lining everything up according to the directions on 720zone. But, when I tried to calibrate, after the zeroing of the joystick, it would not register any movement at all. No squares would light up going ccw or cw (counter clockwise, clockwise).
At this point I remember reading somewhere that someone was able to play the game even though they couldn't pass any joystick tests. So, I turned the testing off, and tried to play the game, but I couldn't orient the skater, which made it basically unplayable of course.
I began to take the joystick apart again to try and figure this thing out, and I double checked that everything was oriented correctly, tried it again, but the same results.
While disassembling again, I noticed that my etched encoder disc was "revision B" while my centering disc was "revision A." I then noticed a STUPID mistake I made, I did not have the bearing house assembly correctly positioned for the allen screws to go flush against the pivot arm's post like in this link:
http://www.720zone.com/resized_720_joystick_instruction_009.jpg
Now, once I did that correctly, I noticed that even if I wanted to, I could NOT line up the holes of the centering disc spacer with the allen screws per the instructions. My 6 o'clock hole for the allen screw was at about 8 o'clock. I DID however line up the grooves in the centering disc with the 6 o'clock allen screw. I then finished reassembly, calibrated easily, and again the game plays great!
So, I'm not sure if the problem I had with the centering disc spacer lining up with the allen screws is because of it, or my encoder disc mounting plate. Since my etched encoder disc and centering disc are different versions, perhaps the spacer or mounting plate is too, and therefore the holes used for the screws to hold the etched encoder and centering disc in place might vary from version to version, and therefore affect their alignment with centering disc spacer.
I'm obviously not 100% sure what's going on. All I know is I can't line up the holes of my centering disc spacer with the 3 and 6 o'clock allen screws (I only did the first time by making a mistake). And, the way I have it now, works perfect!
One more thing: I do have the later version with the large/newer roller version, but I do feel a small groove from the older/smaller one (doesn't affect gameplay). This could also point to the different versions' reassembly instructions.
Anyone know if these version differences would cause these "lining up" issues?
http://www.720zone.com/720-Joystick-Help.html#orientation
I will be using the diagram at the following link to describe parts:
http://www.720zone.com/Jeffs_720_Joystick_Schematic.jpg
First of all, I bought mine a couple of weeks ago in great working condition from KLOV member wisenheimr (great guy to deal with by the way). I noticed today when I took apart the joystick that the opening in the centering disc spacer was not properly lined up with the allen screw at 6 o'clock. Instead, my 6 o'clock opening in the centering disc spacer was at about 8 o'clock. So, of course neither of the centering disc spacer holes for the allen screws were lined up. But, the game has been playing great, and has passed all joystick calibration tests while assembled like this.
I thought it strange, but I kept disassembling everything anyway. After all maintenance was completed, I tried to reassemble the joystick by lining everything up according to the directions on 720zone. But, when I tried to calibrate, after the zeroing of the joystick, it would not register any movement at all. No squares would light up going ccw or cw (counter clockwise, clockwise).
At this point I remember reading somewhere that someone was able to play the game even though they couldn't pass any joystick tests. So, I turned the testing off, and tried to play the game, but I couldn't orient the skater, which made it basically unplayable of course.
I began to take the joystick apart again to try and figure this thing out, and I double checked that everything was oriented correctly, tried it again, but the same results.
While disassembling again, I noticed that my etched encoder disc was "revision B" while my centering disc was "revision A." I then noticed a STUPID mistake I made, I did not have the bearing house assembly correctly positioned for the allen screws to go flush against the pivot arm's post like in this link:
http://www.720zone.com/resized_720_joystick_instruction_009.jpg
Now, once I did that correctly, I noticed that even if I wanted to, I could NOT line up the holes of the centering disc spacer with the allen screws per the instructions. My 6 o'clock hole for the allen screw was at about 8 o'clock. I DID however line up the grooves in the centering disc with the 6 o'clock allen screw. I then finished reassembly, calibrated easily, and again the game plays great!
So, I'm not sure if the problem I had with the centering disc spacer lining up with the allen screws is because of it, or my encoder disc mounting plate. Since my etched encoder disc and centering disc are different versions, perhaps the spacer or mounting plate is too, and therefore the holes used for the screws to hold the etched encoder and centering disc in place might vary from version to version, and therefore affect their alignment with centering disc spacer.
I'm obviously not 100% sure what's going on. All I know is I can't line up the holes of my centering disc spacer with the 3 and 6 o'clock allen screws (I only did the first time by making a mistake). And, the way I have it now, works perfect!
One more thing: I do have the later version with the large/newer roller version, but I do feel a small groove from the older/smaller one (doesn't affect gameplay). This could also point to the different versions' reassembly instructions.
Anyone know if these version differences would cause these "lining up" issues?
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