3DS Buyer's Remorse or "How I Learned to Stop Living with Nintendo"

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3DS Buyer's Remorse or "How I Learned to Stop Living with Nintendo"

Hey All,

Just spent an hour or so looking at the PS Vita's "launch window" titles and I must say that I am having some incredible buyers remorse after buying a 3ds(at launch btw...sucker printed on my forehead). At present, I have 2 games my 3ds library, Street Fighter and Ocarina......re-releases (I have traded away Steel Diver and Pilotwings as they seemed to be tech demos and not actual games). Not a single game out right now appeals to me and the games slated for the holiday season are.....meh at best. Mario, Mario Kart, Starfox 64(another re-release). Come on.....Really. Ok, Kid Icarus, a game that should have gotten a proper sequel 20 years ago (and the controls/on rails are not exactly doing it for me).

And, don't forget.....early adopters just got screwed after a 70 dollar price drop. But what about the AMBASSADOR program? Well LA DE Frikken DA!!!! First off, the games that we're getting for free are virtual console titles, many of which Nintendo fans have already, possibly in several re-released formats(which are better played on their original hardware). As far as I can tell, none of them are going to have 3D visuals. What the hell is that about? Why play them on the 3DS then? BTW, thousands of people were able to take advantage of retail price drops before the Ambassador program window closed. Now, I know, this is the price we pay for early adoption...they didn't have to give us anything...bla, bla, bla.

The truth is, all of us have probably seen price drops on systems that we bought at launch. That's the game we all play (pun intended). Its just that whether its PS3, 360, Dreamcast, PS2, Gameboy, etc, etc, etc, by the time the price drops, you, as the console gamer, have already had fun and compelling experiences that were worth the time and the extra cash. I say again.. I have 2 games for this system that are re-releases, and thus no such sense of satisfaction that comes with early adoption (and why I feel that we early adopters got screwed).

Since the 1980's I have loved Nintendo, from their arcade machines (some of which I own or have owned in my home) to the NES, SNES, Gameboy , and right on down the line. I look across the Atlantic at the release of Xenoblade for the Wii while Nintendo's answer is that they'll be releasing a great Kirby "experience" in N.A. instead. I look cynically at the 3DS as an updated DS meant to stop piracy and pad their fiscal year's profits. I see no innovation in actual games or gameplay although Nintendo has brilliantly marketed itself as "the last bastion of gaming innovation" with touchscreen, 3D, motion, etc. As I write this incredible long winded rant (which I apologize for its length btw) I am coming to the realization that I am just not onboard with it anymore. I kinda feel bad, as if I'm turning my back on an old friend but i think I'm done. Its time for Nintendo to actually earn my loyalty....and importantly, my money. They're just not doing that now. Sorry Nintendo...its not me...its you.

Thanks for letting me use the soap box.

Cheers,

Bob
 
It's no wonder the big N posted a loss recently.

The DSi and 3DS do seem to both be attempts at getting NDS Phat/Lite users to 'upgrade' and swap to a 'controlled' platform to deter piracy.

The big killer for me is that the DSi and 3DS are region locked. The original and Lite DS consoles were not. For a handheld game system that you want to take on your travels and maybe buy a game or two while you are away, this is very annoying.

They have had it good until now, they can't keep turning out the same Mario/Zelda franchise games forever.

3D is a headache inducing gimmick. Most people are sick of the recent 3D movies fad revival already. While the 3D on the 3DS works, I can't see why you'd really want it in a game console where the screen is too small to get much effect.

- James
 
Yeah, I already stepped up on my soap box. :D

I did end up trading my 3DS for a Willow kit (PCB, Marquee, Bezel, CP) that I installed into a spare HS-1 that I need to repair/restore so I'm happy.

I'll maybe get a 3DS again next year when they release the 3DS Lite or whatever the next variation will be for $199.99. But I'll wait for the price drop to $149.99 a couple of months after that. ;)
 
I feel you bro, don't feel bad - Nintendo isn't your friend, no corporation is your friend. Nintendo has let everyone down - Their rewards program sucks, their 3DS is hurting, and the Wii pretty much sucks at this point. I don't even give a shit about whatever the new console thing they announced a while back. I don't even know what it's called.

This is coming from a guy that owns 4 (soon 5) Nintendo uprights - possibly 2 cocktails, NES, Super Nes, Game Boy, 25th anniversary Mario Wii (lame), etc. Tons of games for all.

My thoughts on the 3DS - fun gimmick with the 3D - Graphics are whatever - they've saturated the handheld market so fucking bad - there are sooo many DS games that are better than anything the 3DS has to offer. That's the thing, they've got sooo much of the same crap - re-releases, and games that are basically the same thing over and over. Sure it's a formula that always succeeds, but I don't think it does at this frequency - oh boy Nintendo released 4 more games that are either the same thing as before or tweaks or it's a different character with a shallow story. I'm not buying.

I just bought a used Assassin's Creed PSP set and a bunch of games for like $100 and change because I wanted something to take on vaca next month - I was an asshole to write this thing off from birth and never pay attention to it, it's already way more fun than I had with my DS. I like casual games, but I'm tired of mindless bullshit and the same platformers I guess.

If you read this entire rant, you get good karma from me. Sorry I just lost my mind. I'm also on current and next-gen Nintendo-Hiatus. Don't feel bad OP Nintendo shouldn't get loyalty for nothing.

EDIT: Here's one for you - I even had the booty-chip for my DS - R4DS or whatever it's called, and I still sold the thing years ago. I do think the DS Lite is the best Nintendo handheld deal @ $99 right now, someone who hasn't played around with it much would have a lot of fun for their dollar. I was at Wal-Mart the other day and saw they had all the Wii consoles including the Mario Kart version for $134.99 - That's a GREAT price, and if they had compelling games coming out and everyone in the US hadn't bought one 2 years ago, they'd be selling like crack-rocks.

EDIT 2: 3D will always be kind of gimmicky to me, it doesn't make things more real, it just adds some depth and adds a cardboard cut-out affect. I also think if Hollyweird could have it their way all movies would be shown in 3D to try to make an extra buck and to stop people from camming and distributing.
 
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I didn't even bother with the ambassador program, and I've had mine since launch.
 
I didn't even bother with the ambassador program, and I've had mine since launch.

all you had to do was log into the market on the ds before august 11th or something, thats all it was, 20 free games to me is still 20 free games.. I love the virtual console I like having the nes games handheld, this is my only handheld till vita comes out and for now its alright.
 
I know that's all I had to do. I just didn't care enough to bother doing it.
 
Nintendo isn't your friend, no corporation is your friend.

Truer words have never been spoken. Too bad fanboys (no matter what flag you march under) don't seem to understand that.

For myself, I will get a 3DS in the new year when either the new hardware version (Lite or whatever they will call it) gets announced or 3DS'es are in the bargain bin like old Virtual Boys.

I think the 3D is cool, but if the handheld bombs, it can sit nicely next to my other misfits like the Vectrex, Sega 32X, and SNES Super Scope.

EDIT: and yes I did read vicemikey's entire rant, it's very good
 
Truer words have never been spoken. Too bad fanboys (no matter what flag you march under) don't seem to understand that.

For myself, I will get a 3DS in the new year when either the new hardware version (Lite or whatever they will call it) gets announced or 3DS'es are in the bargain bin like old Virtual Boys.

I think the 3D is cool, but if the handheld bombs, it can sit nicely next to my other misfits like the Vectrex, Sega 32X, and SNES Super Scope.

EDIT: and yes I did read vicemikey's entire rant, it's very good

You my friend are a champion, sent you a reputation point. I just re-read the rant and it was a mess of run-on sentences and nonsensical banter. You can feel the heart in it though.

It's also very true about corporations, we all have companies we love, but if Nintendo had to choose to please it's most-hardcore fans, or it's shareholders, who do you think it would pick? (Look at the Nintendo Rewards club and tell me they give a shit about the fans)

Also keep in mind, this is not the Nintendo of the 80's or 90's - It's now Nintendo International Headquarters of Casual Gaming. They could have taken Miyamoto into an alley and beat the fuck out of him until he signed off on the most dumbed down version of Mario or Zelda just to try and sell an extra million. Of course, that wouldn't be necessary, he'd do it with that trademark smile. Company men are crazy-weird-loyal to their overlords in Japan.

I went off track there, but it could happen, and it's smart business - look at how much saturation the DS and Wii have gotten, they made SOOO much money in the last 5 years it's absurd.

So what does Nintendo do when sales taper?
Stop spending money developing new content worth a goddamn - We'll just focus all effort on more ways to control the game - make it a system and sell it - forget the content, we just want to make a controller that you can stuff up your dickhole to play Mario, when it's easier to use a SNES pad. "Oh, you know guys, fucking Zelda is a great game, but I think the players would really like to store the sword up their asshole, lets make a Wii-mote glove that would allow this. Oh and one screen isn't enough - let's add a screen to the controller."

Secondly - Club Nintendo doesn't give shit for rewards - offer the US audience junk, in comparison with the cool shit they offer in Japan. I went platinum this year for the first fucking time, and I'm getting a fucking PIN SET. PINSSSS WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY - GIVE ME LAST YEAR'S PLATINUM REWARD - OR THAT SHITTY GAME AND WATCH BALL. I ordered the Star messenger bag - it shows up and it's not a messenger it's the size of woman's medium sized purse...WHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Thirdly - Special Editions and Price Cuts: To try and hustle console sales during the holiday 2010 we'll PUSH a special edition Mario 25th anniversary console that celebrates Mario by painting the console red. The box was the most celebratory part of that console deal. Oh then we'll also offer Super Mario All-Stars 25th Anniversary, that WONT be included in the Mario console, but seperately it will sell out in a week, and we won't replenish it until late January, while every asshole on ebay is selling copies for $80. Nintendo has over 20 years experience planning for demand, and there's an entire department in NOA that takes care of this. The Mario All-Stars shortage was soo intentional it makes me sick.

ok - end rant 2 - i'm done i've gone too far.
 
"Oh, you know guys, fucking Zelda is a great game, but I think the players would really like to store the sword up their asshole, lets make a Wii-mote glove that would allow this. Oh and one screen isn't enough - let's add a screen to the controller."

They're halfway there. They already make the rubbery controller condoms for 'safe gaming'.

- J
 
Damn dude, I know you feel victimized or whatever, but calm down. None of this should be a surprise.

we all have companies we love, but if Nintendo had to choose to please it's most-hardcore fans, or it's shareholders, who do you think it would pick?
This true about any company with shareholders, so get used to it.

So what does Nintendo do when sales taper?
Their president and other execs in Japan take paycuts, that's what. That'll never happen over here in the US, though. Hell, I'll bet Reggie gets a fucking huge increase this year.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with most of your rant, but it's the way things are and it's the way things have been for some time. And as I said, it's not just Nintendo. They're only doing what brings the company money and this has worked for them in the past. Hopefully the failure of the 3DS will be an eyeopener for them and we'll see a more "Grassroots" type handheld next.

Viva la Game Boy!
 
Just a rant my friend - I know a company will always choose shareholders - it's business, I'm just trying to further prove my point that Nintendo honestly doesn't deserve the cocksucking it gets from it's hardcore legions.

Paycuts are the easy way out in Japan, I'll take back all of my bad comments and ranting if Iwata commits seppuku.

This all stems from every piece of nintendo retail shit I bought this year. It's all been bullshit, and the reward program pissed me off as well.
 
Just giving you a hard time. I'm still in denial.
 
I might be in the minority here, but I enjoy the 3ds a lot, great tech imo....
I see the vita bombing just as much as Nintendo did anyway, Apple owns the market now fella's :)
 
I might be in the minority here, but I enjoy the 3ds a lot, great tech imo....
I see the vita bombing just as much as Nintendo did anyway, Apple owns the market now fella's :)

I would agree that the Apple is taking a bite out of everyone's ass, as far as handhelds go. I don't think it's going to kill the handheld market, but you're not going to see another DS/DS lite era.
 
Just wanted to say i've been playing console games for over 30 years, and not once, not ever did I buy a handheld portable system. I never liked them. Always though they were stupid and 2nd rate. Never understood why people would want to play on a little screen with degraded sound and graphics when you can play on a nice big TV with better graphics and sound.
 
Just wanted to say i've been playing console games for over 30 years, and not once, not ever did I buy a handheld portable system. I never liked them. Always though they were stupid and 2nd rate. Never understood why people would want to play on a little screen with degraded sound and graphics when you can play on a nice big TV with better graphics and sound.

The concept of a handheld is really simple - they are portable games - Good for travel a commute to work, downtime in a place that's not your home and you don't have a big TV to play a game on. I don't compare home consoles to handhelds - it's a different world.

I rarely buy them, but I bought a used PSP with 9 games and accessories for like a $110 because I'll be traveling a lot in September - Flying from Ohio to Arizona and back, then California and back, and possibly Tallahassee and back. Needless to say, the thing will pay for itself next month.

I really don't understand why you're hating on the games so much, because current handheld games are pretty immersive, look really great, and in Nintendo's case either a re-hash or a game inspired by an existing franchise with no discernible gameplay or quality difference vs. an older console game. I don't know - just a different world bro.

Edit: I hooked up Ultimate Ghosts N' Goblins to my plasma, and it's the best looking Ghosts N' Goblins ever made. Superior video and audio.
 
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